for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygamy
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for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygamy
Here's the latest in my "for what it's worth" series -- my thoughts about the new LDS essay addressing Joseph Smith's polygamy and polyandry in Kirtland and Nauvoo. The paper ended up being far too long to post normally, so I had to create it as a "google doc." You can access a PDF copy of the paper via the link below.
EDITED TO ADD:
Below is the link to my THIRD revised draft (dated 11/18/14), which tones down much of the emphasis (especially bold font) and adds further discussion about Patty Bartlett Sessions and her "time and all eternity" phrase in her journal entry (on pp. 38-40 of this version):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B22-zr ... t0cHM/view
EDITED TO ADD:
Below is the link to my THIRD revised draft (dated 11/18/14), which tones down much of the emphasis (especially bold font) and adds further discussion about Patty Bartlett Sessions and her "time and all eternity" phrase in her journal entry (on pp. 38-40 of this version):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B22-zr ... t0cHM/view
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-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
Rollo,
Excellent analysis!
Excellent analysis!
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
thanks Rollo. I am working on a response for MormonThink to the essay. I'd like to reference this if you don't mind.
Bill
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
Be my guest, Bill.Mormon Think wrote:thanks Rollo. I am working on a response for MormonThink to the essay. I'd like to reference this if you don't mind.
Rollo
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
Near the end of page 16, in the context of the 1831 revelation on Lamanite concubines, you say:
I think you meant to say either "I don't think so," or "a historical record like this (even in horribly embarrassing) be disclosed in an Essay intended . . ."
Just caught my eye.
Be that as it may, should a historical record like this (even if horribly embarrassing) be ignored in an Essay intended to answers questions about controversial LDS history, such as polygamy? I think so.
I think you meant to say either "I don't think so," or "a historical record like this (even in horribly embarrassing) be disclosed in an Essay intended . . ."
Just caught my eye.
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
lots of work to produce 52 pages...............and you wont even sign your real name to it
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
You're right. Good catch! I'll make the change. Thanks.Flaming Meaux wrote:Near the end of page 16, in the context of the 1831 revelation on Lamanite concubines, you say:Be that as it may, should a historical record like this (even if horribly embarrassing) be ignored in an Essay intended to answers questions about controversial LDS history, such as polygamy? I think so.
I think you meant to say either "I don't think so," or "a historical record like this (even in horribly embarrassing) be disclosed in an Essay intended . . ."
Just caught my eye.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
Nah, the only thing I care about is getting out the information.informant wrote:lots of work to produce 52 pages...............and you wont even sign your real name to it
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
That's pretty epic, Rollo. I would only say, about the first part of the essay, that the Church has promoted the essays in Deseret News and the Church News, so they are getting the word out. I wouldn't be surprised to see the essays mentioned in an upcoming Ensign as well (although they should print them there too, since that would make them "scripture" to many LDS).
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Re: for what it's worth: My thoughts on new essay re Joseph Smith's polygam
Mormon Think wrote:thanks Rollo. I am working on a response for MormonThink to the essay. I'd like to reference this if you don't mind.
Bill
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