Show me the (Kristy) Money....

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Show me the (Kristy) Money....

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Kristy Money is impressive on so many levels.

She graduated from BYU at age 19, completing a Ph.D. in counseling psychology at age 25 (dissertation on LDS suicide)
She serves on the Ordain Women board of directors as a co-founder of OW, assembled the famous “6 discussions” for Ordain Women, and is the host of Ordain Women podcast.
She has authored three incredibly influential op-eds for the Salt Lake Tribune:
LDS Church should make clear Smith was wrong to take 14-year-old wife
Think, seminary teachers, before acceding to church essay on Joseph Smith’s polygamy
LDS Church should go further to disavow racist priesthood ban
She is the creator of the http://voicesoflove.org project (in support of same-sex love within Mormonism), which is a response to Ty Mansfield’s Voice of Hope project (promoting either mixed-orientation marriages or celibacy).
She is currently serving on the Mormon Mental Health Association Board of Directors.
Her journey has been featured in the New York Times and in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
She is currently facing church discipline for her efforts with Ordain Women, and for speaking openly in her congregation about matters of racial injustice.

http://mormonstories.org/kristy-money/

When identified as an executive board member for Ordain Women in a Facebook Group on March 24, 2015, she declared that she was a “Proud temple recommend holder and active Mormon too.” This is the image that she wants the world to see. However, in the A Thoughtful Faith Facebook Group, among fellow apostates and enemies of the Church, she had written on October 20, 2014, that she and her husband had stopped paying tithing as a couple and described this as an “incredibly freeing experience as a family.” Then she went on to explain how others can fool their bishops too by paying a small amount online and clicking “the box that says not to disclose the amount to your bishop.” This is useful advice for those members for whom “having a recommend is important for weddings. Or because it’s important that a bishop/sp [stake president] shouldn’t be able to tell you whether or not you are worthy to enter the Lords house.”

Ordain Women leaders and supporters like to say that they are authentic; that they are active and believing members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We know better: Kristy Money Straubhaar is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

https://ordainwomenexposed.wordpress.co ... ormon-too/

On March 15, 2015 my local priesthood leaders threatened to remove my temple recommend because I am on the Executive Board of Ordain Women. My conscience would not allow me to resign, so I encouraged them to reconsider. They did hold off, but on June 21st–exactly one year after I witnessed the church excommunicate my friend Kate as I sat next to her–they stripped me of my recommend.

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By stripping me of my recommend, my priesthood leaders are inhibiting my ability to be a good example as a mother in our culture. Such discipline sends the message to every Mormon–including my family, my fellow congregants, my LDS neighbors, and my own children–that I am not worthy.

http://ordainwomen.org/board-member-dis ... resigning/
Kristy, if you don't pay a full tithe of 10% of all your income then, by the rules of the club you're in, you are not worthy. If you are not paying a full tithe then your leaders had every right (under the club rules you signed up to) to disallow your temple recommend for that alone.

Dr. Kristy Money Straubhaar is the registrant for pro-gay Voicesoflove.org, according to Who.is. It's mission is to assert "the right to still belong to their community, family, and religious group (if they so desire) no matter who they choose to love." Kristy recommends her site for gay members of the LDS church.

People should be allowed to love who they want? Great! So why does Straubhaar condemn polygamy?

The anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune published an article by Straubhaar that blasts Joseph Smith's polygamy. She says "sexual predators have been using" the church's rationalizations for polygamy "long before the church recently published them." She incorrectly states that D&C 132 says a man has a "God-given right to take" a virgin if he simply desires her, and that his original wife has no say in the matter. This is false. Verse 61 clearly states that the first wife must give her consent. And the point is moot really, since polygamy was long ago banned. Straubaar seems to doubt that polygamy was inspired by God: "Would a loving God do that to his children?"

Yet on her gay marriage site, Straubaar links to a church essay on polygamy and praises it:
"Recently the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledged in its church history that leaders’ definition of marriage changed drastically over time. The Church also released a press statement on the importance of “teaching that all people should be treated with respect.” As a psychologist, I embrace those statements and am committed to helping youth hear voices from couples who are or were Mormon, who love and commit to someone of their same gender. Stories of families created from these loving bonds should be celebrated and shared."
(voicesoflove.org)
Why is Kristy praising polygamy on one site and then condemning it elsewhere?

http://mormongame.blogspot.co.uk/2015/0 ... ygamy.html

That seems a fair question....
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Re: Show me the (Kristy) Money....

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I have a question wrote:
Dr. Kristy Money Straubhaar is the registrant for pro-gay Voicesoflove.org, according to Who.is. It's mission is to assert "the right to still belong to their community, family, and religious group (if they so desire) no matter who they choose to love." Kristy recommends her site for gay members of the LDS church.

People should be allowed to love who they want? Great! So why does Straubhaar condemn polygamy?


Probably because she doesn't believe polygamy falls in the category of people loving who they want. I certainly don't believe Mormon polygamy is about that.

The anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune published an article by Straubhaar that blasts Joseph Smith's polygamy. She says "sexual predators have been using" the church's rationalizations for polygamy "long before the church recently published them." She incorrectly states that D&C 132 says a man has a "God-given right to take" a virgin if he simply desires her, and that his original wife has no say in the matter. This is false. Verse 61 clearly states that the first wife must give her consent. And the point is moot really, since polygamy was long ago banned. Straubaar seems to doubt that polygamy was inspired by God: "Would a loving God do that to his children?"

Yet on her gay marriage site, Straubaar links to a church essay on polygamy and praises it:
"Recently the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledged in its church history that leaders’ definition of marriage changed drastically over time. The Church also released a press statement on the importance of “teaching that all people should be treated with respect.” As a psychologist, I embrace those statements and am committed to helping youth hear voices from couples who are or were Mormon, who love and commit to someone of their same gender. Stories of families created from these loving bonds should be celebrated and shared."
(voicesoflove.org)
Why is Kristy praising polygamy on one site and then condemning it elsewhere?

http://mormongame.blogspot.co.uk/2015/0 ... ygamy.html

That seems a fair question....


Maybe my reading comprehension skills aren't working well this morning, but where in that paragraph does she praise polygamy?
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Kristy Money is impressive on so many levels.


Not even....

She graduated from BYU at age 19, completing a Ph.D. in counseling psychology at age 25 (dissertation on LDS suicide)
She serves on the Ordain Women board of directors as a co-founder of OW, assembled the famous “6 discussions” for Ordain Women, and is the host of Ordain Women podcast.
She has authored three incredibly influential op-eds for the Salt Lake Tribune:
LDS Church should make clear Smith was wrong to take 14-year-old wife
Think, seminary teachers, before acceding to church essay on Joseph Smith’s polygamy
LDS Church should go further to disavow racist priesthood ban
She is the creator of the http://voicesoflove.org project (in support of same-sex love within Mormonism), which is a response to Ty Mansfield’s Voice of Hope project (promoting either mixed-orientation marriages or celibacy).
She is currently serving on the Mormon Mental Health Association Board of Directors.

Her journey has been featured in the New York Times and in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
She is currently facing church discipline for her efforts with Ordain Women, and for speaking openly in her congregation about matters of racial injustice.


1. Given that the social norms of society at the time were different from our modern day, taking a 14 year old as a "wife" in that day wasn't abnormal at all. If she had ANY sort of intellectual ability at all, she would know that such a characterization is unfair and false. But, liberals never do.
Further, there is zero evidence that she was a Polygamous "wife" of Joseph, but it was only a Sealing Ordinance, thus not actual Polgamy, and NOT also for "Time" but for Eternity only, further making clear that it was a Religious Ordinance only, not an actual "wife". Of course, those in the know would have to tell me if that distinction was actually made with this particular Sealing Ordinance. But either way, they did live as man and wife, thus she wasn't an actual "wife" in the normal sense.

2. Priesthood ban had nothing to do with racism, any more than the Priesthood ban toward all non-Levite Lineages were racist in Moses time.
Yes, some of the "theory's" various people have could have been racist, but the ban itself wasn't. If anything, the ban was in place because of racist society, not the Church. The ban was removed the very moment society stopped being racist. Coincidence? Nope.
by the way, the ban further wasn't racist because ALL other blacks that were not of African Lineage, blacks of the Islands, India, parts of Central/South America, and many others WERE given the Priesthood. Remember, racism with blacks is in relation to being black, not your Lineage. Racists never cared what "kind" of black you were. One exception might be if you were white and they knew you had black parents, then their might be descrimination by racists, but, that wasn't the general standard.

The Church never taught racism and it also taught against racism and intolerance and discrimination of any kind.
That is not a "racist" religion. Behaviors and words is what makes racism, not a policy that has historical precidence of being limited.

3. Homosexuality is a sin period.... If a person want's to follow God, then they either must marry a female if able or be a Eunuch as the Bible states.

4. Is that organization even Mormon, or just more liberals and anti's pretending to be by using the Mormon name?

5. As she should be. She doesn't know better than God. The Laws of God are Eternal. Who is she to contend against them?
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If a person want's to follow God, then they either must marry a female if able or be a Eunuch as the Bible states.


eu·nuch
ˈyo͞onək/Submit
noun
a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women's living areas at an oriental court.

LDSWRONGS does it again. So, everyone ("a person") that doesn't marry a female must have his balls cut off? And what of women who don't want to get married? How are they to become Eunuchs?

You are so damn stupid that it defies credulity.
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grindael wrote:
If a person want's to follow God, then they either must marry a female if able or be a Eunuch as the Bible states.


eu·nuch
ˈyo͞onək/Submit
noun
a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women's living areas at an oriental court.

LDSWRONGS does it again. So, everyone ("a person") that doesn't marry a female must have his balls cut off? And what of women who don't want to get married? How are they to become Eunuchs?

You are so damn stupid that it defies credulity.


Actually you're the stupid one.....

Look up the definition of Eunuch in the Bible..... Read all the related scriptures idiot.
Nevermind, I will just quote the relevant one.

Matt. 19:12
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


Pay attention to what's said here, use your brain and if you have any actual spirit in you what it means.
But I will spell it out for you. It's saying that sometimes people need to become Eunuchs because of the Gospel. It's not talking about castration, it's talking about not having sex. In other words, someone who isn't able willing to have intimacy with the opposite sex (SUCH AS IF GAY) then they should remain celibate for the sake of their Salvation with God.

We know this because what were they talking about? They were talking about the Gospel.
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
If you're not able to recieve it fully, then it's okay to be a Eunuch for the sake of your Salvation in Heaven.

Everyone has their CROSS or more than one.... Having a cross doesn't mean we should "give into" it, give into that sinful part of our nature, whatever it is, be it homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, sex, on and on and on.
It is better then in relation to sexual things (i.e. the parts of a person) that they become like a Eunuch, for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

Get it.....? If you don't not my problem.
This isn't the church...... If you want to understand the subject, Google Eunuchs.... and learn something.

Eunuch
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A eunuch (/ˈjuːnək/; Ancient Greek: εὐνοῦχος) is a man who (by the common definition of the term) may have been castrated, typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences. In some ancient texts, "eunuch" may refer to a man who is not castrated but who is impotent, celibate, or otherwise not inclined to marry and procreate.

You are so damn stupid that it defies credulity.


And as we see, you are talking about yourself as usual. You don't even understand BASIC words and Gospel subjects, let alone the complex ones of the Gospel and Mormonism.
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ldsWRONGS wrote:
Actually you're the stupid one.....

Look up the definition of Eunuch in the Bible..... Read all the related scriptures idiot.
Nevermind, I will just quote the relevant one.

Matt. 19:12
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


Pay attention to what's said here, use your brain and if you have any actual spirit in you what it means.
But I will spell it out for you. It's saying that sometimes people need to become Eunuchs because of the Gospel. It's not talking about castration, it's talking about not having sex. In other words, someone who isn't able willing to have intimacy with the opposite sex (SUCH AS IF GAY) then they should remain celibate for the sake of their Salvation with God.

We know this because what were they talking about? They were talking about the Gospel.
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
If you're not able to recieve it fully, then it's okay to be a Eunuch for the sake of your Salvation in Heaven.

Everyone has their CROSS or more than one.... Having a cross doesn't mean we should "give into" it, give into that sinful part of our nature, whatever it is, be it homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, sex, on and on and on.
It is better then in relation to sexual things (i.e. the parts of a person) that they become like a Eunuch, for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

Get it.....? If you don't not my problem.
This isn't the church...... If you want to understand the subject, Google Eunuchs.... and learn something.

Eunuch
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A eunuch (/ˈjuːnək/; Ancient Greek: εὐνοῦχος) is a man who (by the common definition of the term) may have been castrated, typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences. In some ancient texts, "eunuch" may refer to a man who is not castrated but who is impotent, celibate, or otherwise not inclined to marry and procreate.

You are so damn stupid that it defies credulity.


And as we see, you are talking about yourself as usual. You don't even understand BASIC words and Gospel subjects, let alone the complex ones of the Gospel and Mormonism.


Nope, you are. Eunuch means someone who has been castrated. You did not say someone LIKE a Eunuch, you said they must be Eunuchs. Now you are changing your definition. And "may refer to" doesn't mean that it means that, (someone who is NOT castrated). Shaky ground, Wrongs.
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1. Given that the social norms of society at the time were different from our modern day, taking a 14 year old as a "wife" in that day wasn't abnormal at all. If she had ANY sort of intellectual ability at all, she would know that such a characterization is unfair and false. But, liberals never do.
Further, there is zero evidence that she was a Polygamous "wife" of Joseph, but it was only a Sealing Ordinance, thus not actual Polgamy, and NOT also for "Time" but for Eternity only, further making clear that it was a Religious Ordinance only, not an actual "wife". Of course, those in the know would have to tell me if that distinction was actually made with this particular Sealing Ordinance. But either way, they did live as man and wife, thus she wasn't an actual "wife" in the normal sense.
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Why all the technicalities? Take women "to raise seed" - but somehow you seem to think that just building a herd is the idea.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
1. Given that the social norms of society at the time were different from our modern day, taking a 14 year old as a "wife" in that day wasn't abnormal at all.



Why do you persist in spreading this lie?

http://www.history.com/news/history-lis ... nt-do-much

You've been called out on this before.

That's called willful ignorance. Stop.
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grindael wrote:
LDSWRONGS does it again.


Honestly, could you possibly be more amateurish? :rolleyes: If you're going to mangle someone's screen name, the very least you could do is make a half assed attempt to learn the craft. Watch and learn, grindael.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
grindael wrote:
LDSWRONGS does it again.


Honestly, could you possibly be more amateurish? :rolleyes: If you're going to mangle someone's screen name, the very least you could do is make a half assed attempt to learn the craft. Watch and learn, grindael.

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I humbly bow to your expertise. You have made me look like a crass amateur. :redface:
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