Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight On

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Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight On

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Ahead of their convention in Salt Lake City later this month, leaders of the SPLC-designated anti-gay hate group World Congress of Families (Howard Center) recently met with LDS Quorum of the Twelve member Dallin Oaks, and parlayed the meeting into a fundraising appeal to its newsletter subscribers.

Last week Larry Jacobs and I met with one of our honorary board members, Dallin Oaks. Religious leader and former university president, law professor, and state Supreme Court justice, he possesses unique insight into America's legal and societal predicament. He urged The Howard Center to vigorously counter the vitriolic anti-family and anti-religion rhetoric so that those who wish to speak up for faith and family will not be afraid to do so. We discussed the fact that accomplishing this will take greatly increased financial resources.
[...]
We truly are at a decisive moment that requires us to us for the benefit of posterity. At this time of unprecedented peril, The Howard Center needs your unprecedented financial support.
[...]
Faithfully,
E. Douglas Clark
Interim President


This development raises several questions that Dallin Oaks ought to answer for members of his church.

First, has the LDS Church made cash or in-kind donations to this anti-gay hate group? Failing that, did Oaks give the group his blessing to feature him in their fundraising letter, knowing that many of those receiving it would be devout Latter-day Saints? Did Oaks himself suggest this indirect form of support, in lieu of the direct contribution WCF was no doubt seeking during their meeting with him?

Furthermore, why does the LDS Church continue to follow this modus operandi (first used in Hawaii in the 1990's, continued with NOM in the 2000's) of staying in the shadows while pushing front groups to do their dirty work? It seems that Oaks would like the WCF to bear the brunt of the public backlash in securing a cultural beachhead, if you will, on which Mormons may safely express their bigoted views.

Finally, was LDS Church spokesperson Dale Jones speaking the whole truth when he said this past summer that "the church wasn't involved in the decision of the World Congress of Families to come to Salt Lake City"? Because with prominent Mormons such as Russell Ballard, Timothy Ballard (no relation), and Elizabeth Smart scheduled to address the conference, and with a senior apostle in Oaks meeting with WCF leaders and helping their fundraising efforts, one is naturally led to wonder what high level conversations preceded the decision to come to S.L.C.
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Re: Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight

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Do you know what criteria the SPLC uses for identifying an organization as an anti-gay hate group?

Does the World Congress of Families (Howard Center) self-identify as an anti-gay hate group?
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sock puppet wrote:Do you know what criteria the SPLC uses for identifying an organization as an anti-gay hate group?


from Southern Poverty Law Center:
All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports. [...] Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.


so merely being opposed to gay rights doesn't warrant hate group designation (which is why the LDS Church has never been listed). the way WCF earned their designation, as i understand it, was by their support of legislation criminalizing gay relationships in Uganda and Nigeria and limiting gays' freedom of speech and association in Russia. perhaps also for their promotion of dangerous anti-gay conspiracy theorists like Theresa Okafor and Scott Lively.
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palerobber wrote:
sock puppet wrote:Do you know what criteria the SPLC uses for identifying an organization as an anti-gay hate group?


from Southern Poverty Law Center:
All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports. [...] Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.


so merely being opposed to gay rights doesn't warrant hate group designation (which is why the LDS Church has never been listed). the way WCF earned their designation, as i understand it, was by their support of legislation criminalizing gay relationships in Uganda and Nigeria and limiting gays' freedom of speech and association in Russia. perhaps also for their promotion of dangerous anti-gay conspiracy theorists like Theresa Okafor and Scott Lively.

Thanks for that additional information.
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Oaks views explanations the same way as he does apologies....so don't hold your breath.
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Re: Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight

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Wait... Elizabeth Smart is addressing WCF?

WTF?!?!
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Kishkumen wrote:Wait... Elizabeth Smart is addressing WCF?

WTF?!?!

This was my reaction also. She needs to fire her booking agent.
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Re: Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight

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Kishkumen wrote:Wait... Elizabeth Smart is addressing WCF?

WTF?!?!


sadly, yes.
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Re: Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight

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palerobber wrote:
sock puppet wrote:Do you know what criteria the SPLC uses for identifying an organization as an anti-gay hate group?


from Southern Poverty Law Center:
All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports. [...] Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.


so merely being opposed to gay rights doesn't warrant hate group designation (which is why the LDS Church has never been listed). the way WCF earned their designation, as i understand it, was by their support of legislation criminalizing gay relationships in Uganda and Nigeria and limiting gays' freedom of speech and association in Russia. perhaps also for their promotion of dangerous anti-gay conspiracy theorists like Theresa Okafor and Scott Lively.

The Ugandan bill prescribes very harsh criminal penalties for homosexual acts and, in the original form backed by American evangelical organizers, involved the death penalty in some cases. That is what the LDS Church is saying to keep up.

That scratches the surface in how vile they are, but they are clearly a hate group. SPLC has a solid track record of identifying extremist hate groups. I can't think of any examples that don't plainly fit the bill.

Obviously very few organizations that are dedicated to bigotry and promotion of virulent discrimination would describe themselves that way.
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Re: Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight

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What the hell?

What kind of people support crap like that?

I mean, really!

I want nothing to do with an organization that smiles upon foreign governments persecuting gays.

Nothing.

Talk about a toxic swamp. The WCF qualifies.
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