Daniel C. Peterson's Struggle With Honesty and Integrity.

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Jesse Pinkman wrote:Actually, Sock is correct. The reason Dan notes where he is posting from is simply his journaling process.


It doesn't have to be one or the other. Maybe it's his journaling process with the added benefit of impressing his little followers.
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
Jesse Pinkman wrote:Actually, Sock is correct. The reason Dan notes where he is posting from is simply his journaling process.


It doesn't have to be one or the other. Maybe it's his journaling process with the added benefit of impressing his little followers.

True.
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:Actually, Sock is correct. The reason Dan notes where he is posting from is simply his journaling process.


Lucretia MacEvil wrote:It doesn't have to be one or the other. Maybe it's his journaling process with the added benefit of impressing his little followers.

Jesse Pinkman wrote:True.


It may also have the additional benefit of annoying some of his critics.

:rolleyes:
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DCP clearly is very intelligent, so he must, by now, realize that he has wasted his life in Mopologetics. Sure, it was likely a 'heady' experience for him in the beginning, but over the past few years he has suffered embarrassment after embarrassment. The Internet is not only destroying the LDS Church, but Dan as well. Truth be told, I feel bad for the guy.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:DCP clearly is very intelligent, so he must, by now, realize that he has wasted his life in Mopologetics. Sure, it was likely a 'heady' experience for him in the beginning, but over the past few years he has suffered embarrassment after embarrassment. The Internet is not only destroying the LDS Church, but Dan as well. Truth be told, I feel bad for the guy.

In isolation, I too feel bad for DCP. He's sort of like Douglas MacArthur. Started getting a bit too uppity and his superiors canned him.

But when I think that DCP might have been responsible for keeping some questioning LDS in the fold, paying tithing, depriving themselves of those "harmful" substances like coffee or a drink or two per day, and pressuring their children into BYU/mission/temple marriage/having kids early in adult life, I think it's probably just karma for DCP and not even close to a proper measure for the harm he's done to others.
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I don't see a connection between believing something and lying. If he believes it, then he's not lying. He may be wrong, but he's not lying. It only becomes lying if and when he knows what he's saying isn't true. But just because he believes doesn't mean he lies.

On another note, I don't think his life has been wasted. He's worked at a job he obviously loves, he's travelled the world, he's published his thoughts for posterity, he has lots of friends, he enjoys the things he calls fun, he's no doubt got a nice pension stored away for his retirement.

How is that a wasted life?
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To all or any, Is there some actual real world indication that the church is being destroyed? The idea hits me as bizarre and delusional, then I remember I have no actual contact with the church. It could be folding up and I just am not yet been made aware. There is a fellow where I work who is a member, we say hello but have not had occasion to discuss the state of Mormonism with him. I have two siblings living distantly who are quite active. We do not discuss the church. The place could be folding up and I just have not yet heard.

The picture seems similar to the obsessive worry about Mr Peterson. I suspect Harmony is right, that he is doing fine.
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harmony wrote:I don't see a connection between believing something and lying. If he believes it, then he's not lying. He may be wrong, but he's not lying. It only becomes lying if and when he knows what he's saying isn't true. But just because he believes doesn't mean he lies.


He does lie, harmony, and often. He's been caught in so many whoppers and made up tales, that it's disturbing behavior. Especially since he purports to be a TBM.

harmony wrote:On another note, I don't think his life has been wasted. He's worked at a job he obviously loves, he's travelled the world, he's published his thoughts for posterity, he has lots of friends, he enjoys the things he calls fun, he's no doubt got a nice pension stored away for his retirement.
How is that a wasted life?


By your above definition, OJ Simpson, Bernie Madoff, Hitler, or any number of bad men, didn't waste their lives. And, I don't think he does love his job at BYU. It's clear he despises the administration and would go somewhere else if he could. Just like Gee.

DCP has definitely wasted his potential. The harm he's caused and continues to cause, far outweigh any benefit/good he has done in his career.

His life truly is a cautionary tale.
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huckelberry wrote:To all or any, Is there some actual real world indication that the church is being destroyed? The idea hits me as bizarre and delusional, then I remember I have no actual contact with the church. It could be folding up and I just am not yet been made aware. There is a fellow where I work who is a member, we say hello but have not had occasion to discuss the state of Mormonism with him. I have two siblings living distantly who are quite active. We do not discuss the church. The place could be folding up and I just have not yet heard.

The picture seems similar to the obsessive worry about Mr Peterson. I suspect Harmony is right, that he is doing fine.

I think that the internet's impact on the LDS church is much like water erosion over time. The LDS church has staked out a very bright line: either it's claims to being led by Jesus, it being his one and only church and that to be saved one must have the saving ordinances performed by LDS authorities, OR it is, as Hinckley put it, a fraud. That's just the most recently dead prophet, and certainly the only dynamic, assertive one in decades.

The internet has opened some flood gates about JSJr, Brigham Young, the Hoffman affair, the Book of Abraham and those silly Facsimiles and even sillier Explanations, etc. that show those willing to look that given the dichotomy from the Lord's recent prophet, Hinckley, the LDS 'truth claims' are in all probability bogus. The more that look, the more that leave the LDS church. The Letter to a CES Director by Runnels is something that upon reading causes one to doubt the LDS church and its leaders, making it more difficult to doubt one's doubts about them.

I don't think we're yet at the point where the erosion has become a gusher of mud carrying the silt downstream, and cutting deep and quickly into the LDS membership. But it is very muddy and that point could occur rather soon. Until then, the internet is just cutting into the number of active LDS in a rather slow way. The only thing that the LDS leaders have thought to counter it is to castigate the internet as bad, that place where pornography exists readily available almost everywhere. That it concerns the FP/12 as an existential threat was demonstrated by Uchtdorf's opening words at the last conference of warning against getting information about the church from the internet. The very first thing in a two day, 10 hour conference.
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