Can These Things Really Be Sin?

[_ludwigm]

Hey drinkers! (No quote, no personal attack...)

"Mértékkel és tartózkodással. Mérték a vödör, tartózkodás az asztal alatt."
Google translation is "Moderation and abstention. Measure the bucket, stay under the table."

This makes no sense. I understand (as a Martian...).

But how was Jesus Christ to make anything known to all nations? He could speak but one language which was Hebrew, and there are in the world several hundred languages. Scarcely any two nations speak the same language, or understand each other; and as to translations, every man who knows anything of languages knows that it is impossible to translate from one language to another, not only without losing a great part of the original, but frequently of mistaking the sense; and besides all this, the art of printing was wholly unknown at the time Christ lived.

That is. Then begins:

mérték: unit of measurement
mértékkel: within bounds
(check any vocabulary...)

tartózkodás: abstinence
tartózkodás: habitation
(check any vocabulary...)

The correct translation:
"measuring is the bucket, habitation is under the table"

"moderation and abstention"

by the way our sixpack is 6*0.5 litre...

[_Chap]

So...am I being "led astray" by Satan? Or, perhaps, maybe there is more than one real way to God?

I think you may need to watch out.

Does the world we live in suggest that, by and large and on the whole, God is interested in intervening to ensure that we have a happy and fulfilling time? I'd say that the evidence is that this is at best a secondary consideration to him, compared with the evolution of a really interesting new virus, a successful volcanic eruption, or a fully effective major crop failure. And he's pretty hot on not violating the laws of dynamics: fire a bullet at a child's head, and he'll make sure it gets exactly where you are pointing it. He sure likes consistency.

Be too happy, and he may notice, and feel he needs to find a way of bringing you back under control ...

(Don't worry - he really isn't there at all, and all the good things in your life are there because of you and the people you love! So enjoy, and be safe!!)

[_Some Schmo]

I suppose I should point out - wine really does improve the taste of cheese. It's remarkable, actually.

But beer really improves the taste of steak and fries, so... ya know...

[_Maksutov]

I'm sorry my friend Schmo, but your epicurean education has been sadly neglected. Wine and beer are not either/ or things. I've grown very fond of IPA's as well (the US has finally started producing great beers), but it hasn't dulled my taste for the amazing diversity of excellent wines.

Beer with sushi (or pizza) is great. The right wine with any meal is astounding.

I vote beer. Beer is great with anything that's not sweet. When I want grapes--rarely--I eat grapes. I like vinegar too. But what I don't like is the taste of vinegar in grape juice. The best wine I've ever tasted is fruity, wet ripple, which doesn't hold a candle to BEER. Definitely not that dry, vinegary snooty stuff. Sorry, but it is just one of my many pedestrian traits.

Good Sock, you could never be pedestrian.

[_Fence Sitter]

After reading and participating on the thread about premarital sex, I got to thinking about some other things that are considered sins by the LDS Church. These are some specific things that I have enjoyed since I became inactive, and do not feel like I am going to hell for indulging in them:

1. I bought a Kuerig 2.0 when I moved into my new house. The coffee is awesome! I bought the San Francisco Bay French Roast and Jamaican Blend coffee, and have my cup in the morning while I'm going through my emails. Since I started doing this, I have cut down on my soda consumption, which has been very good for my health. My coffee consumption is very moderate. I have maybe 2 cups at most in the morning.

2. I love having a glass of red wine (normally Pinot Noir) with dinner. My boyfriend and I would like to take a class on how wines pair with various foods, and how wine enhances the flavor of food. My doctor actually told me to start drinking 1 glass of red wine in the evenings for my heart. I don't drink to get drunk. I rarely have more than 1 glass of wine. Once in a while, I will have 2 glasses. Again, I am very moderate in my consumption.

3. Premarital sex. I am 52 years old. I have had 3 children. I am divorced. My boyfriend who is also divorced is 62. We practice protected, safe sex on a regular basis. We both love each other very much, and have made long term plans to get married and spend the rest of our lives together. He is an amazing man, and has truly been my emotional rock over this past year. He is obviously not just in this relationship for the sex. Believe me, with everything he has helped me through, it would have been much easier for him to have hired a hooker if he had just wanted sex. LOL

I still say my prayers. I still believe in God. I am helping my parents who are disabled, and recently lost most of their savings through a failed business. They are living with me now. I still hold a calling in my ward, even though I am not attending Church regularly. I am the Ward Employment Specialist and have helped quite a few members with their resumes, and with getting a job.

I honestly feel more at peace spiritually than I have felt in a long time.

So...am I being "led astray" by Satan? Or, perhaps, maybe there is more than one real way to God?

You are not being led astray you have merely figured out that your sense of self worth is not based on a made up set of rules decreed by a completely capricious imaginary being. The thought that there is a being out there capable of creating this universe who cares at what temperature we drink caffeine or that we own a piece of paper called a marriage license before we engage in sex, is simply laughable.

Most active members, especially BIC lifers, simply cannot picture a life in which Mormonism is only engaged partially, like what you are doing. Mormonism has been and continues to be a part of my life but on my terms. I enjoy the social interaction it provides at times, I see how it provides my wife with a group of friends her age and gives her the opportunity to participate in a common activity with them.
The problem for most who try this limited version of Mormonism, is the inability to not buy into the guilt laden purportedly divinely commanded rhetoric preached from the top down and supported by majority of members. Once you move beyond the belief that you should feel guilty because someone else says you should, life is a lot more fulfilling.

[_Sethbag]

Can it be that nobody thusfar has pointed out that Keurig coffee isn't actually good? It's convenient, yes, and I drink it every day specifically because it's so easy to get. But as far as the quality of the coffee goes, Keurig coffee sucks compared to just about any coffee made straight from grounds in a more traditional manner.

More of a beer guy myself. And Scotch. Speaking of which, the local Costco has the Lagavulin 16 in stock right now for $69.

[_Fence Sitter]

Can it be that nobody thusfar has pointed out that Keurig coffee isn't actually good? It's convenient, yes, and I drink it every day specifically because it's so easy to get. But as far as the quality of the coffee goes, Keurig coffee sucks compared to just about any coffee made straight from grounds in a more traditional manner.
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For me also the taste is out weighed by convenience and cost and it is not even close.

I used to buy a $2.50 cup a day at a local coffee shop. My Keurig cast about $100.00 for a single brew machine and the K cups cost about .30 cents each from Costco. Over the course of a year Ill save about $500.00 and many hours by just using the Keurig. I am okay with it not tasting quite as good as other ways of brewing it.

[_Doctor Steuss]

I distrust any beer that has an SRM color rating under 10.

Heathens.

[_Sethbag]

Can it be that nobody thusfar has pointed out that Keurig coffee isn't actually good? It's convenient, yes, and I drink it every day specifically because it's so easy to get. But as far as the quality of the coffee goes, Keurig coffee sucks compared to just about any coffee made straight from grounds in a more traditional manner.
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For me also the taste is out weighed by convenience and cost and it is not even close.

I used to buy a $2.50 cup a day at a local coffee shop. My Keurig cast about $100.00 for a single brew machine and the K cups cost about .30 cents each from Costco. Over the course of a year Ill save about $500.00 and many hours by just using the Keurig. I am okay with it not tasting quite as good as other ways of brewing it.

Yeah, I go through a good 3-5 k-cups a day because it's so easy, but I really am not the biggest fan of the Keurig taste.

What I really need is for the makers of the Aeropress to make a large version, that can make, say, half a pot worth at once. I've got an aeropress, but to fill the 30-ounce mug I like to make in the morning takes me several runs of the Aeropress, and it just takes too much damn time.

I like French Press coffee quite a bit, but I read somewhere that the fine silt you get with French Press coffee is bad for the cholesterol levels, so I avoid it. My favorite is to whip up a whole batch of french press coffee and then filter it using the Aeropress, but that's just too labor intensive.

I tried using a lab filter flask with lab-grade filter paper and a hand-pumped vaccuum pump. That worked great, actually, and the coffee was crystal clear, but my wife put the filter funnel thing in the dishwasher and it cracked.

What I really want is this: someone make a 12-cup coffee pot that has a screw-on filter adaptor at the bottom of it, like the Aeropress. There should be a tight seal between the reservoir where the 12 cups of coffee brew, and the container below it that catches the coffee that comes through the filter. Put a vaccuum hose attachment on the lower reservoir. I put the hot water and coffee grounds in the upper chamber, wait however long I see fit to let it brew, then push a button. The vaccuum pump applies some vaccuum to the lower chamber, and the coffee comes pouring through the filter paper into the catching reservoir below. It's free of any sediment and it all happens very quickly.

[_RockSlider]

Can it be that nobody thusfar has pointed out that Keurig coffee isn't actually good? It's convenient, yes, and I drink it every day specifically because it's so easy to get. But as far as the quality of the coffee goes, Keurig coffee sucks compared to just about any coffee made straight from grounds in a more traditional manner.

Sethbag is correct in the quality but I'm not so sure about the convenience.


whole beans
plus
cheap ass grinder (three heaping tablespoons of beans)
plus
cheap ass drip
plus
insulated 20oz mug
plus
three minutes or so to grind/drip?

stays nice and hot for hours, and I sip on it all morning at work.

mmmmm good stuff. The four bean is also yummy for a dark, some there are very fruity and light if you don't like dark as well.

Likely a local roaster near you ...


The above is messy at worse, and likely much less in cost per mug and not all that much more inconvenient or slower than all those little cups of stale coffee.

note coffee is like any fruit, having a very short shelf life.