Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

[_psychedelicately]

Its apparent that Dehlin and Kate Kelly have had some sort of falling out. Anybody know what happened?

[_6EQUJ5]

Haven't heard any details alghough it doesn't surprise me that two self-righteous blowhards with savior complexes would butt heads.

Our Lord and Saviour, John Dehlin, posted this to Facebook this morning:

A few friends have reached out to let me know that some folks are criticizing me and the Open Stories Foundation/Mormon Stories Podcast for hosting a Mormon Stories Podcast cruise next year in the Bahamas.

I feel sincerely fortunate that I am not privy to such conversations. Too many people to help. Too many marriages and families to help strengthen. Etc. Etc.

What we know for a fact is that Mormon Stories Podcast and the Open Stories Foundation (including Gina Colvin's A Thoughtful Faith Podcast, Dan Wotherspoon's Mormon Matters Podcast, Natasha Helfer Parker's Mormon Mental Health Podcast, and Margi Dehlin's Mormon Transitions podcast) are changing lives in positive ways - on a very large scale. And no one can convince or shame us otherwise. The daily emails are all the reinforcement and motivation we need. The downloads and views do not hurt - we are on track for over 6,000,000 MP3 downloads and Youtube/Facebook views for 2017. Our workshops and retreats (thus far) have been full, and the feedback has been astoundingly positive.

Good for you! Keep it up. Don't let the haters get you down.

On a more personal note...please know that if I wanted to take a cruise for personal reasons...I'd much, much rather go with Margi and the kids...or my close friends...to somewhere quiet.

Of course YOU don't really want to go on the cruise. No. This is all self-sacrifice.

We are alleviating depression and anxiety. We are restoring hope for many who have lost it. We are strengthening marriages and families. We are preventing suicides. And we are helping to build communities of support across the world for questioning, liberal, and post-Mormons.

Or... maybe the haters have a point.

[_Lemmie]

Its apparent that Dehlin and Kate Kelly have had some sort of falling out. Anybody know what happened?

We are alleviating depression and anxiety. We are restoring hope for many who have lost it. We are strengthening marriages and families. We are preventing suicides. And we are helping to build communities of support across the world for questioning, liberal, and post-Mormons.

Or... maybe the haters have a point.

Could you be more specific as to why you bolded that part? (It wasn't clear whether the original was bolded, please correct me if I am wrong in assuming it wasn't.) What point are you suggesting the haters may have?

[_cwald]

Its apparent that Dehlin and Kate Kelly have had some sort of falling out. Anybody know what happened?

Why do you think this has to do with Kate Kelly? Have you seen something to verify that on social media etc?

[_Simon Southerton]

Its apparent that Dehlin and Kate Kelly have had some sort of falling out. Anybody know what happened?

About a year ago Kate got her nose out of joint because female podcasters connected to John were not being paid, or paid very little. She ranted on Facebook before checking her facts. John had had several open discussions about remuneration with all of the female podcasters and they all publicly distanced themselves from Kate's comments. John was blind-sided by the whole thing and felt he had been publicly shamed. To the best of my knowledge Kate has not publicly apologised.

[_6EQUJ5]

Could you be more specific as to why you bolded that part?

No.

[_Lemmie]

Its apparent that Dehlin and Kate Kelly have had some sort of falling out. Anybody know what happened?

We are alleviating depression and anxiety. We are restoring hope for many who have lost it. We are strengthening marriages and families. We are preventing suicides. And we are helping to build communities of support across the world for questioning, liberal, and post-Mormons.

Or... maybe the haters have a point.

Could you be more specific as to why you bolded that part? (It wasn't clear whether the original was bolded, please correct me if I am wrong in assuming it wasn't.) What point are you suggesting the haters may have?

No.

Ok, no problem.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

[_Kishkumen]

About a year ago Kate got her nose out of joint because female podcasters connected to John were not being paid, or paid very little. She ranted on Facebook before checking her facts. John had had several open discussions about remuneration with all of the female podcasters and they all publicly distanced themselves from Kate's comments. John was blind-sided by the whole thing and felt he had been publicly shamed. To the best of my knowledge Kate has not publicly apologised.

Standard MO for KK.

[_cwald]

The only thing I have found is some accusations from Kristy Money about lack of financial transparency and not paying the podcast folks a regular salary, and criticizing the Open Stories Foundation cruise trip or something. I haven't seen anything at all about Kate Kelly. Perhaps you need to change the title of the thread? Or perhaps provide some details about what it is you are talking about?

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... /?sort=new

This is what Kristy Money apparently posted on Facebook.

"Open Stories Foundation completely revamped their pay structure for podcasters so that, while Dr. Dehlin continues to draw a regular base salary as CEO--with further unknown financial benefit from co-hosting podcasts with members of his household, collecting speaking fees for retreats, and performance bonuses--podcasters are not salaried employees (rather, they are outside contractors provided no benefits and paid relative pennies per download, on the justification that Open Stories Foundation is based in Utah, a right-to-work state). This change also coincides with the first year that Open Stories Foundation has not been transparent about its finances and the substantially large retreats began."

"I was present when individuals who work for Dr. Dehlin have been brought to tears from how he treated them for privately (in a very small group) expressing concerns about his behavior."

John repsonded

We have a book keeper, an accounting firm, and a partner in an accounting firm is on our board. I have worked SUPER hard to be very, very responsible with Open Stories Foundation money, and accusations of financial impropriety are specious and intended to malign.
The Open Stories Foundation board is preparing a statement. At that point feel free to reach out to our board or me or Amy Grubbs or whomever. There is literally ZERO substance to any accusation of financial impropriety. Kristy's statements are specious and meant to malign with literally zero substance.

[_Kishkumen]

Exactly how much money do people hope to make by being a John Dehlin sidekick?

I'm sorry people; please just go find something else to do before you find yourself in a place where you are complaining about your Mormon Stories pay.

Dear God.