Josh and Lolly Weed getting divorced

[_Water Dog]

But, surely, you've had sex with a woman?

Right?

That's your gift to the world, Dog.

My gift to the world? Not following.

[_Shulem]

But, surely, you've had sex with a woman?

Right?

That's your gift to the world, Dog.

My gift to the world? Not following.

Love is given freely as an expression of appreciation and joy. That's a gift, wouldn't you say?

And no, size doesn't really matter.

[_DoubtingThomas]

To the surprise of absolutely no one

Absolutely. Divorce is very common because we humans didn't evolve for lifelong marriages, so the idea that a gay man can have a happy lifelong marriage with a woman seems like mission impossible.

[_I have a question]

This is so obvious it feels dumb that I didn't get it before, but don't all these varieties of sexual orientations mean that in any given community, there can be more options for people to find intimate companionship, more ways for loving consensual relationships to develop, to enhance peoples lives and the community as a whole. Goodness, I was blind.

I have no idea what this sappy "hug the world" crap means. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but give me a break. In one circumstance it works out, in another it doesn't (hence the OP). I'm sure this couple would rather not feel compelled to divorce. Such a beautiful gift, I'm sure the kids are loving it!

Do you understand that the issue is the Church compelling gay members to be something other than who they are?

[_Res Ipsa]

This is so obvious it feels dumb that I didn't get it before, but don't all these varieties of sexual orientations mean that in any given community, there can be more options for people to find intimate companionship, more ways for loving consensual relationships to develop, to enhance peoples lives and the community as a whole. Goodness, I was blind.

I have no idea what this sappy "hug the world" crap means. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but give me a break. In one circumstance it works out, in another it doesn't (hence the OP). I'm sure this couple would rather not feel compelled to divorce. Such a beautiful gift, I'm sure the kids are loving it!

Why is that people who choose to say something rude preface it with “of course I don’t mean to be rude. C’mon, WD, fly your Rude Flag proudly. Just don’t forget to remind folks about how you’re just being anti-PC to get the smugly superior tone jussst riiiiight.

[_Meadowchik]

This is so obvious it feels dumb that I didn't get it before, but don't all these varieties of sexual orientations mean that in any given community, there can be more options for people to find intimate companionship, more ways for loving consensual relationships to develop, to enhance peoples lives and the community as a whole. Goodness, I was blind.

I have no idea what this sappy "hug the world" crap means. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but give me a break. In one circumstance it works out, in another it doesn't (hence the OP). I'm sure this couple would rather not feel compelled to divorce. Such a beautiful gift, I'm sure the kids are loving it!

It's not sappiness, but an actual increase in the mathematical probabilities for attachment, a biological human tendency enhancing individual and collective well-being.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I think that where the Church fails is that the Church dictates that homosexuality is wrong. Not only that, but the Church encourages members to be "normal" by coupling in heterosexual relationships even though there is no physical attraction in the circumstance.

This is a recipe for disaster. Couples get married, desperately trying to be "normal". They not only get married, but have kids. Now you have innocent children in the middle of all of this.

Case in point, my ex and I would have never married to begin with if my ex had not been attempting to be "normal". I didn't know he was gay until many years later. I actually was somewhat relieved because I thought there was something wrong with me, and that's why he wasn't attracted to me.

The other issue that doesn't help things at all is the Church's stance on premarital sex. If you have the opportunity to live with someone and sleep with someone before the marriage, then you know whether or not there is sexual attraction. If you are both virgins until the wedding night, there are a lot of things you don't know.

[_DoubtingThomas]

The other issue that doesn't help things at all is the Church's stance on premarital sex. If you have the opportunity to live with someone and sleep with someone before the marriage, then you know whether or not there is sexual attraction. If you are both virgins until the wedding night, there are a lot of things you don't know.

Excellent point!

[_Meadowchik]

I think that where the Church fails is that the Church dictates that homosexuality is wrong. Not only that, but the Church encourages members to be "normal" by coupling in heterosexual relationships even though there is no physical attraction in the circumstance.

This is a recipe for disaster. Couples get married, desperately trying to be "normal". They not only get married, but have kids. Now you have innocent children in the middle of all of this.

Case in point, my ex and I would have never married to begin with if my ex had not been attempting to be "normal". I didn't know he was gay until many years later. I actually was somewhat relieved because I thought there was something wrong with me, and that's why he wasn't attracted to me.

The other issue that doesn't help things at all is the Church's stance on premarital sex. If you have the opportunity to live with someone and sleep with someone before the marriage, then you know whether or not there is sexual attraction. If you are both virgins until the wedding night, there are a lot of things you don't know.

The teaching that "any righteous man and woman" can succeed in marriage is enormously damaging to people, whatever the orientation. Heck, I was stuck dating the same guy for 2 years because I believed it.

[_Meadowchik]

The other issue that doesn't help things at all is the Church's stance on premarital sex. If you have the opportunity to live with someone and sleep with someone before the marriage, then you know whether or not there is sexual attraction. If you are both virgins until the wedding night, there are a lot of things you don't know.

Excellent point!

Hear, hear!