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We know Mitt has been lobbying for higher church callings for a years. We know he is a "believer" and his vote to impeach has made him unpopular among Utah voters - L-d$,inc types included.

We know he said nothing about Trump and his paying $130,000 to a hooker/adult film star nor did he say anything about Trump statements of "grab'em by the ...." or his treatment of women - nothing about any of this that would easily be seen as a Moral Statement.

Now he would have us believe God told him to vote to impeach because it is a "moral decision"?

He is lobbying to become a member of The Twelve. Nothing less. He apparently believes that being castigated by so many for what he claims is a "moral decision" and saying God told him to vote this way will show he values God and Truth more than political office. Just the ticket to be called as one of The Twelve.

That is the office he really wants - more desperately than he ever wanted to be President of the USA.

I agree. Although I respect Romney for his convictions..it has nothing to do with religion or politics in general..but everything to do with Romney...what he loves...and who he hates.

I don't buy this. I am not a big fan of Mitt Romney. For all I know, he may be kind of a jerk. But I do think he genuinely felt compelled by his conscience at long last to stand on principle and vote to convict Trump. He was never happy having to go along with Trump. There is that famous picture of him dining "alone" with Trump; the man looks completely miserable. That is the face of a man who finds Donald Trump to be a completely disgusting creature.

Do I think that man would vote to convict Trump based on his reading of the evidence and coming from his moral upbringing? No doubt. I have absolutely no doubt.

With the sway that Trumpism has in those corners of the globe where Mormonism is actually relevant, I'm not so sure that voting to impeach Trump would necessarily get Romney in the good graces of church leadership.

I mean, when you start hearing GAs parrot Trumpisms from the pulpit in general conference or other official addresses, doesn't that provide a clue on what they think the base of Mormons in the intermountain west will eat up?

I listened to Romney's speech and heard him say he felt obligated before God to be true to his obligation to decided honestly and with integrity. I heard nothing about God telling him what to do. Was that in some other speech? I doubt it. It does not sound like something that would fit his other comments.

What earthly reason is there to hunt up speculation about nefarious and selfish motives?

Even if you think he is wrong for some reason you are still presented with a person willing to take negative fallout from doing something he sees as right.

I think Romney voted to impeach because Trump was as guilty as Outer Darkness. There is no need to dissect the religious motivation behind Romney's decision. He was faithfully discharging his duty in the task he was given.

In the words of the Yankee mid-field stands, "Throw the bum out".

huckelberry wrote:I listened to Romney's speech and heard him say he felt obligated before God to be true to his obligation to decided honestly and with integrity. I heard nothing about God telling him what to do. Was that in some other speech? I doubt it. It does not sound like something that would fit his other comments.

What earthly reason is there to hunt up speculation about nefarious and selfish motives?

Even if you think he is wrong for some reason you are still presented with a person willing to take negative fallout from doing something he sees as right.

Yup, what Romney said was essentially like someone swearing to tell the truth on a Bible before testifying: not that their testimony is clouded by their belief, but that they promise to be honest.

Romney did not exactly say God told him to vote against Trump?

Reminds me of when Bush was trying to sell the war in Iraq. He had a speech where he spoke about 9-11 and then sandwiched Saddam into it but then went back to discussing 9-11. He never actually said Saddam was responsible for 9-11, truth is, Saddam hated the fundamentalist jihadists who did the deed, but the audience perceived that Saddam was behind 9-11. Later, Bush denied ever saying he blamed Saddam for 9-11.

When he was looking at a Presidential bid he spent so much time in SLC bothering the Brethren that people in the Church Office Building were laughing about him lobbying for a Call to The Twelve.

The guy wants it bad, more than any elected office.

His "moral decision" is recent - something he really doesn't use unless he wants something.

Do you have any direct statements from him wanting an apostleship? Any real estate deals? Anything that would tie him to the Church in a way that would make your theory interesting?

- Doc