Anonymous gospel topics essays being suppressed?

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Anonymous gospel topics essays being suppressed?

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The gospel library app has removed the anonymous gospel topics essay dealing with Joseph’s polygamy in Nauvoo and Kirtland. A dead link to the essay, strangely, is found at the end of a new essay entitled “Plural Marriage in the Church of...”

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Is that original essay being officially suppressed? Or is this just a poor implementation of burying that essay a link further down?

It was unfair of the church to publish those essays anonymously in the first place. Their content deserves to be signed and endorsed by the FP. And now this is happening, and as many of us feared, being anonymous in the first place, any suppressed or deleted or altered essays cannot be attributed, leaving no one accountable for their use or preservation.
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The essay on Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo is still available:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/top ... g=eng&_r=1

or

Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo

The best way to get there is to go to MormonThink and click on the Church Essays tab located in the upper right section. The drop down box for all the essays will appear. Then just click the desired link and you're there.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo wrote: The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday.


In other words, she was just a young 14 year old babe.

Joseph Smith liked 14 year old girls! I'll bet he would have gone lower had he lived. Maybe he did and we just don't know about it?

:twisted:

Joseph Smith with a 13 year old? It's possible. How about age 12? It's possible. Joseph Smith liked young girls.

Age 11?

:surprised:

I better stop before Jersey Girl slaps me.

:lol:
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It may just be that the link is being suppressed.
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To date not One GA has put his name to them. They are ashamed of them and they are only there as a CYA attempt.
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SuperDell wrote:To date not One GA has put his name to them. They are ashamed of them and they are only there as a CYA attempt.


It doesn't matter. The Essays are recorded and stored forever on the Internet. The Church owns them just like they own the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham and the teachings of Brigham Young and the rest of the early Mormon racist pigs.

The Essays will forever be known for the garbage they are and generations to come will know about them and read them in disgust. The poor Mormon Church really is nothing more than a dying religious museum for people to gawk at.
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I get a sense that the Church is pursuing a long term strategy of whitewashing the available information. This is being facilitated by the digital age - it’s much easier to remove the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 4 and it’s counsel to avoid mixed race marriages when it’s a digital manual, than when it’s a distributed hard copy. Things gradually get pushed more clicks away until eventually, with a simply press of a keyboard button, it’ll be gone.

The Church needs opposition and critics, because without them it would become increasingly deceitful and dishonest.
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I have a question wrote:I get a sense that the Church is pursuing a long term strategy of whitewashing the available information. This is being facilitated by the digital age - it’s much easier to remove the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 4 and it’s counsel to avoid mixed race marriages when it’s a digital manual, than when it’s a distributed hard copy. Things gradually get pushed more clicks away until eventually, with a simply press of a keyboard button, it’ll be gone.

The Church needs opposition and critics, because without them it would become increasingly deceitful and dishonest.


The Church can try and hide and erase its past. But there is already enough on the Internet and Google God has enough recorded to convict the Church for what it is, a despicable organization. The writing is already on the Web and there is nothing the Church can do to erase or hide its wicked past.
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What is up with this disclaimer?

The Church acknowledges the contribution of scholars to the historical content presented in this article; their work is used with permission.


This seemingly responsible attribution is notably free of any authorizing language. Nothing whatsoever along the lines of reviewed and approved by the First Presidency.

The essays were, or course, reviewed and approved by the brethren. Evidently the experiment has backfired so completely, that the brethren must no longer be responsible. All attribution and responsibility for the essays is on the shoulders of unnamed scholars, neutering the content from ecclesiastical authority or duty.

Feels like the Gospel Topics Essays are officially the block for eventual disavowal and removal. They're dead. De-emphasis in Sunday church discussions is no less justified than sections of Mormon Doctrine. They are questionable scholarly works, not influenced or blessed by church leaders.

As if this attribution to unknown scholars offered insufficient wiggle room, the phrase, "their work is used with permission" was also added.

Why?

No scholars were named. Everyone knows the research was commissioned by the church. Permission was never in question. Moreover, the Church - not scholars - OWNED the research, the assembly and the publication of the essays. The content does NOT belong to scholars, it belongs to the Church. Period.

Newsroom wrote:Three weeks ago, the Church completed a series on the topic of plural marriage (polygamy), which has recently been the subject of a large number of media stories. Below is additional context for those essays.

Much of what you'll find in the essays on polygamy has been published in diverse sources and known among long-term and well-read members, historians and Church leaders for many years. The Church has now gathered this information into a single location as a convenient means of placing these resources in the hands of all members.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... pics-pages


What "used by permission" accomplishes quite neatly, however, is to more firmly establish an additional buffer layer between the brethren and these acknowledged-but-unnamed scholars.

Not dissimilar, indeed exactly like, another body of commissioned works -- artwork. Doesn't this evoke an image of well-meaning, but wholly inaccurate depictions of Joseph reading his translation from the plates? The essays, used by permission, have been demoted to take-it-or-leave-it works of art. They are not official. They are not binding. They cannot be used against church leaders. Any duplicity, trickery, deception or falsehood in the essays can never, ever, be attributed to church leaders. They are the unofficial opinions of well-meaning scholar-artists, and should never be regarded as more than such.

Lastly, I cannot help but suspect that these slow-motion obfuscations of the essay covering Joseph's polygamy (the app still won't access that essay, anywhere, and the essay is one link further on the website, and now with the scholar-artist caveats) must be a deliberate, calculated strategy to de-emphasize his faults on this celebratory year. Praise to the man.
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Re: Anonymous gospel topics essays being suppressed?

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Good point Dr. Moore. I'd guess the actual scholars behind the essay would take issue with some of the changes made by the leadership, if allowed to have such a platform. I like guessing stuff like that.
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