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_Simon Southerton
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About three days ago the Church News posted a story about how amazingly charitable the church is under the heading:

"The Church's Sacred Funds Support Its Priorities and Mission to Do Good, Says Presiding Bishopric"

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... 0pHFCXzgMM

In this article it claims the following:

The Church has doubled its humanitarian donations over the past five years, spending almost $1 billion annually to care for the poor and the needy.

YESTERDAY the bold portion in the quote linked you to the Church's humanitarian page where it says this.

SINCE 1985, LDS CHARITIES HAS PROVIDED OVER $2.2 BILLION IN ASSISTANCE.

https://www.latterdaysaintcharities.org ... ual-report

TODAY the bold portion takes you to a DIFFERENT link; another Church News story from October 2019 entitled "Church’s $2 Billion of Humanitarian Aid Stems from Loving God and Others". This article contains none of the inconvenient $2.2Billion over 35 years claims.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... s?lang=eng

OR... maybe the claim is true and the church has donated a few billion to charity since November 2019? Call me a cynic, but I think there is deliberate lying going on here by the church PR department. Why would they care anyway? The members believe everything they say so they can say what they like.
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Without any sort of accounting or accountability the church can claim what ever figure they want.

Remember this is the same church that claims 16,000,000 members.
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The LDS Church declines to pay taxes owed for its for-profit enterprises until the government comes after them. Why would we trust them? They chose to follow the path of the most grasping corporations. Let them prove their generosity. I won’t take such claims at face value. Such credulousness is for fools.
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Back in 2016...
In a lecture given last month at the University of Oxford, Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said that each year The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints spends about $40 million on welfare, humanitarian and other LDS Church-sponsored projects around the world and has done so for more than 30 years.

That would account for approximately $1.2 billion on welfare and humanitarian efforts over the past 30 years. Elder Oaks also said that in the last year alone, Mormon volunteers have devoted 25 million hours of labor.

https://www.deseret.com/2016/7/12/20591 ... -at-oxford

Was Oaks lying?

I’d like Causse to show his workings-out in reaching the number he’s claiming...
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The deliberate rerouting of the link AWAY from the Church's own website, where the facts are, to a Church News story with a similarly misleading headline, is extremely revealing.

Church PR is in full damage control and ANYTHING that looks positive is being spun for all its worth. This may eventually get corrected but now is not the right time. This $1Billion humanitarian claim is PR gold.

We just had a news story in the Australian media and they repeated this $1Billion charity claim. The Church is getting exactly what it wants from this PR spin (lie).

https://www.9news.com.au/world/the-secr ... cial-9News

Another lie in the Australian article:

Ensign also said the fund financed operations in poorer parts of the world - such as Africa - where tithing receipts are smaller than the West.

Not a cent has left the Ensign Peak fund for charitable work, ANYWHERE.
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I believe the new $1b per year statement incorporates church welfare programs for members.
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Church used to publish it's charitable contribution totals per year. You can still find them online. They used to average about 40 million a year.
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Dr Moore wrote:I believe the new $1b per year statement incorporates church welfare programs for members.

And perhaps a new building acquisition in London, a cattle ranch in Texas, and some earthquake proof retrofitting for the Salt Temple.
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I guess the brethren heard the critics and are at least pretending to do the right thing now. How about some disclosure so we can figure out where the $1 Billion figure comes from? My money is that it comes right out of Nelson's a$$, but I could be wrong. The dodo may have contributed to the make believe. He loves exaggerating for Mormon jesus so one cannot discount his truth massaging.

By the way, Brethren, if any of you are reading this, we don't believe the BS $1 Billion figure. Put up with some real financial disclosure or shut up. Please stop hiding behind the too sacred to tell nonsense. It's becomming embarrassing.
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Interestingly, the one thing the Church didn't do with the money, is spend some of it correcting a teaching manual that contained the promotion of racist views.
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