Church gives excommunication a new name.

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Church gives excommunication a new name.

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In an article about the new online handbook...
What was previously called "excommunication or disfellowship," is now called "membership restrictions or withdrawal," according to the handbook, which is "sometimes necessary to help a person repent and experience a change of heart.

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/mo ... day-saints

Calling a pig by another name doesn’t change its nature.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Re: Church gives excommunication a new name.

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The Mormon Church is stuck forever with the term "excommunication" which is officially part of ITS long term history, general practice, and canon. The CULT can't change history. It is what it was, period! No amount of lipstick can beautiful the perverse nature of piggish Mormonism beginning with girl chasing Joe Smith and womanizer Brigham Young -- each of which had sex with multiple women.

Doctrine and Covenants 134:10 wrote:They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.


You can't excommunicate me! I resigned!!

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Re: Church gives excommunication a new name.

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Handbook wrote:What was previously called "excommunication or disfellowship," is now called "membership restrictions or withdrawal,"


But the Doctrine & Covenants trumps President NelSatan's policy making handbook! The use of the word "withdraw" is only telling half the story. Hence, the Mormon handbook is lying by withholding information and trying to put lipstick on Church history.

Doctrine and Covenants 134:10 wrote:They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.


Webster's Dictionary 1828 wrote:Excommunicate

EXCOMMU'NICATE, verb transitive [Latin ex and communico.] To expel from communion; to eject from the communion of the church, by an ecclesiastical sentence, and deprive of spiritual advantages; as, to excommunicate notorious offenders.


Expel and eject are not just withdrawal in simple terms! It's not just a matter of a little or a lot of restriction either -- it's to "expel" and "eject" -- it's TOTAL expulsion, very strong words -- even damnation! Today's Mormon Cult is trying to pull a fast one under the evil direction of President NelSatan!

Busted! I think Radio Free Mormon could have a field day with this one. Sic 'em, RFM!

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They haven't changed the name on the church website:

Excommunication

Excommunication is the most severe Church disciplinary action. A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord’s commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church.


It seems that Mormons today are ashamed of terminology that describes their practice and policy for the past 190 years. Mormons today are ashamed of being called Mormons!

What a shameful church!
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I have a question wrote:In an article about the new online handbook...
What was previously called "excommunication or disfellowship," is now called "membership restrictions or withdrawal," according to the handbook, which is "sometimes necessary to help a person repent and experience a change of heart.

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/mo ... day-saints

Calling a pig by another name doesn’t change its nature.


Weak sauce from the LDS Church.

"All we have to do is engage in some PR-savvy renaming of the same old thing!"
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
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Re: Church gives excommunication a new name.

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Kishkumen wrote:
Weak sauce from the LDS Church.

"All we have to do is engage in some PR-savvy renaming of the same old thing!"


They're renaming something but nothing has changed other than terminology. It's all in effort to distract and detract members from having a negative viewpoint on a traditional Mormon practice.

In this case, the Mormon leadership is trying to get the members to take their eyes off the EXCOMMUNICATION ball and shift any blame or fault away from the Church and onto the members. Blame the members. They're at fault. When members use the word excommunication will they now be frowned at and corrected? Never mind the fact that the Church and it's leaders have been saying it for 190 years.

Don't say Mormon.
Don't say Excommunicate
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To remove a person from the faith, “the feeling of the First Presidency and the Twelve [apostles] and members who we did research with felt that [excommunication] was a particularly harsh term,” general authority Seventy Anthony D. Perkins, executive director of the church’s Correlation Department, which oversaw creation of the handbook, explained in a video. “And so that term is replaced by the phrase ‘withdrawal of church membership.’”


Blame it on the Lord for using it in his revelations to Joseph Smith!

Blame it on every other Church President to follow! Blame it on every Apostle who has served in the church.

HARSH!? Blame the leaders!

The Mormon Church has ruthlessly used the term "excommunicate" as part of their long term practice and doctrine.

RFM, where the hell are you when we really need you now!?

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As for “disfellowshipment," Perkins added, “that term indicates or seems to suggest that someone is being cut off from association with the church, which was never the intent, but the wording implied that.” The phrase in the new handbook is “formal membership restrictions.”


"formal membership restrictions"

Or in other words, these people have a problem with PORN! Yep, it must be something sexual in order to have restrictions put on them.

I got news for the leadership of the Church. Virtually all of the men and ALL of the boys are looking at porn. Oh yes, boys today do LOOK at porn. You better believe it! If you don't, you're stupid!

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Everything has its opposite and if Jesus and his sky-daddy are going to baptize you then they also have to excommunicate you -- unless of course you resign your membership. Then Jesus can't do a damn thing:

Excommunication baptismal prayer wrote:Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I EXCOMMUNICATE you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Spooky Ghost. Amen.


Excommunication confirmation prayer wrote:In the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority of the holy Melstinky Priesthood, I EXCOMMUNICATE you from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Snakes and say unto you, 'Holy Ghost depart'.

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Check this gem out:

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President David O McKay October 1953 general Conference wrote:The Choir will sing "The Lord's Prayer," and the closing prayer will be offered by Elder Harold S. Snow, president of the St. George Temple, after which this conference will be adjourned until 7 o'clock this evening when a general meeting of the Priesthood of the Church will be held in the Tabernacle.

Only those holding the Priesthood are invited to be present. Persons not holding the Priesthood will kindly refrain from attempting to enter the building, and that applies to those who have been excommunicated, who sometimes refuse to accept the excommunication.
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