"BYU displays baffling incompetence" Gehrke

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"BYU displays baffling incompetence" Gehrke

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Brigham Young University has sure managed to “frick” over its gay students in a baffling display of incompetence.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/03/05/ ... -byu-hurt/

Last month, the school, owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, stripped out of its Honor Code a prohibition on “all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings.”
What came next should have surprised no one. Scores of relieved and jubilant LGBTQ students celebrated, posting photos on social media believing it was now OK to hold hands or hug or kiss another person of the same sex, just like their heterosexual classmates were allowed to do. And Honor Code officials told them it was OK. They asked.


On Wednesday, the school did a complete reversal.
A letter from Paul V. Johnson, the commissioner of the Church Education System that oversees BYU, said there had been “some misinterpretation” of the Honor Code revision and that romantic same-sex behavior was not compatible with the Honor Code because it “cannot lead to eternal marriage” — which remains one of BYU’s prime directives.
Now, even if you share BYU’s position on same-sex relationships and even if you supported their past discipline of those students, I think we can all agree that the reversal, then re-reversal of the Honor Code was an unmitigated disaster.

Of course, that reversal means that BYU may have removed a section of the Honor Code in written form, but it's alive and well in the shadows and will still be enforced as if it was still included. They are now actively hiding their policies from students and the public.

The initial announcement was incompetently handled and abysmally communicated, then left without clarification for weeks, despite the obvious confusion it created.

Now it’s a public relations nightmare for the university, which is seen as having pulled a bait-and-switch on a move toward openness that many of its students — those who are LGBTQ and the many, many more who support their friends — had been pleading for for years.
Students turned out to protest the move by the hundreds, gathering in the Wilkinson Center, chanting “Hey hey, ho ho, the Honor Code has got to go.”
The students need to gather together en masse and go on strike. This must be a watershed moment.

This Honor Code 180 is more than in image problem. It was callous and cruel, giving students the hope that they might not have to hide their romantic feelings — really their true selves — only to drive them back into the shadows.

And going back into the closet is not even possible for all of those students who publicly celebrated the original change, posting pictures reveling in the elation of being able to openly love who they love for the first time.
"There's pictures of me on the news, kissing a girl in front of the Brigham Young statue. People who didn't know before know now because I thought it didn't matter," student Lilly Bitter told my colleague Courtney Tanner. "It's so much more scrutiny, and I feel like I'm not safe here anymore.”


“We realize that emotions over the last two weeks cover the spectrum and that some have and will continue to feel isolation and pain,” said Kevin Utt, the director of BYU’s Honor Code Office in a Q&A posted on the school’s website, encouraging the campus community to treat each other with “sensitivity, love and respect.”
That would be the same “sensitivity, love and respect” that Utt and the university failed to show the students, the cause of so much “isolation and pain.”
I’m not going to run down the damage inflicted on these students. They know the rates at which these students will turn their back on their church. They know the rates of depression. They know the rates of suicide.


Yet still they did this.
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It’s abuse, plain and simple. Abuse in the name of Jesus.
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LGTBQ students unfortunately will need to go to a different university, one not still caught in the 1950's, fighting a non-existent war for religious "freedom." It shouldn't be hard for them to get accepted to an equally strong academic institution. If they can get in to BYU, they can probably get in elsewhere. Cost may be a problem, though, as the church doesn't subsidize 21st century thinking.
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Dr Exiled wrote:LGTBQ students unfortunately will need to go to a different university, one not still caught in the 1950's, fighting a non-existent war for religious "freedom." It shouldn't be hard for them to get accepted to an equally strong academic institution. If they can get in to BYU, they can probably get in elsewhere. Cost may be a problem, though, as the church doesn't subsidize 21st century thinking.
No....LGTBQ students should stay and fight this one. How many changes in said revelations, policies and stuff in that poor worn out handbook has come out lately in the past few years that didn't need clarifications?? In between all of this...some people have been hurt and already separated from families and came out...bull...bull..they don't get to back track their asses all the time.
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It is a "smart way" for the University to identify problems students - as they now have photos of all the public displays and celebrations.

Just like the New York City police sending out notices to lawbreakers they could not catch of "Free tickets to Yankees Games" - and then arresting a whole gym full of them when they showed up to claim the tickets - BYU has used the lie to out those who publicly display their feelings.

Nothing more than another trick to control those who attend the school.
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omantic same-sex behavior was not compatible with the Honor Code because it “cannot lead to eternal marriage”


There are a lot of behaviors that cannot lead to eternal marriage. Being a celibate gay Mormon is behavior that cannot lead to eternal marriage. is that no longer allowed at BYU?
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DarkHelmet wrote:There are a lot of behaviors that cannot lead to eternal marriage. Being a celibate gay Mormon is behavior that cannot lead to eternal marriage. is that no longer allowed at BYU?

Obviously he didn't mean that, but a fair reading for consistency would demand that yes, there is something implied to be wrong with that as well. And that illustrates the hell that gay LDS have been living. Nothing they can do will make it so that they can participate in the better sides of the LDS life.
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Hamlet would tell these BYU students, "Get thee to America, go!"
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... an equally strong academic institution.


So, like, Phoenix University?

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Last month, the school, owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, stripped out of its Honor Code a prohibition on “all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings.”

So far, so good. . .

On Wednesday, the school did a complete reversal.

Really?

A letter from Paul V. Johnson, the commissioner of the Church Education System that oversees BYU, said there had been “some misinterpretation” of the Honor Code revision and that romantic same-sex behavior was not compatible with the Honor Code because it “cannot lead to eternal marriage” — which remains one of BYU’s prime directives.

This doesn't sound like a reversal to me. It sounds like him reminding everyone that just because people will no longer be punished for it doesn't mean it's O.K.

So the original policy change is still in place. They still won't be punished, but such displays won't necessarily be encouraged, either.
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