Dan Peterson is Just Flat Out LYING Now

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Ah yes, the art of wording things carefully so as to make Mormonism seem less weird than it is. I was adept at this as a missionary.

Unfortunately, many parts of Mormonism are embarrassing so it requires people to do this to feel normal. Peterson is just doing what is natural given the fact that he is bothered by the weird, inexplicable twists and turns that he has to justify. If he weren't bothered, he wouldn't feel the need to play these word games.

Take it from a Californian, the church was pressing the term "traditional marriage" very heavily during Yes on 8 campaign (along with weekly calls to donate more money to the campaign from the pulpit). His assertion that it was "never about tradition" would be news to the leaders of the church who used that word repeatedly throughout that campaign.

It was deeply ironic for the leaders to use that term, as Zeke pointed out, as Mormons were not historical practitioners of traditional marriage as that term is understood in this country.
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Gadianton wrote:
since the leaders have also said that withholding information, vital information, is a form of lying. It s blatantly a lie of omission

the man has a point. I can't tell you how many times I heard the lecture about "sins of omission" in Priest's quorum.

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DCP wrote:And it was never about "tradition."


DCP should inform the brethren, who drafted the letter linked to below, which was read from nearly all LDS pulpits in California, entitled Preserving Traditional Marriage and Strengthening Families.

DCP is so smart that he knows more about the brethren's intentions than even they do! He knows what they really mean, even if it is 180 degrees off from what they actually said!

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/california-and-same-sex-marriage
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This Bagley cartoon makes the point...

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/bagley/2 ... n-message/
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fetchface wrote:
DCP wrote:And it was never about "tradition."


DCP should inform the brethren, who drafted the letter linked to below, which was read from nearly all LDS pulpits in California, entitled Preserving Traditional Marriage and Strengthening Families.

DCP is so smart that he knows more about the brethren's intentions than even they do! He knows what they really mean, even if it is 180 degrees off from what they actually said!

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/california-and-same-sex-marriage


I wonder how much farting and crapping the brethren have to do before apologists quit trying to cover their asses for them....... (the word is edited, but imagine a word beginning with "s" and ending with "hit" and you get the point.)
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Peterson is lying, because the joining of one man with multiple women (even in separate ceremonies) was NEVER "traditional" marriage). It is why in the 19th century it was called one of the twin relics of barbarism. Because it was never considered TRADITIONAL marriage by Americans. It was considered as much an aberration then, as same sex marriages are to many today.
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Liars lie and plagiarizers plagiarize, that's just what they do. It is normal for Ditto Copy Pasterson to plagiarize and "Just Flat Out" lie about everything, that's just what he does.

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grindael wrote:Peterson is lying, because the joining of one man with multiple women (even in separate ceremonies) was NEVER "traditional" marriage). It is why in the 19th century it was called one of the twin relics of barbarism. Because it was never considered TRADITIONAL marriage by Americans. It was considered as much an aberration then, as same sex marriages are to many today.


Well, that makes three witnesses for Kerry's camp.

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Hay, Dan, you're a freaking liar! And a lousy school teacher!
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Philo Sofee,

Real talk here. What would the apologists have to do in order for you to feel like your relationship with them could be repaired? What would the Church have to do in order for you to feel peace toward it?

There’s no ulterior motive with regard to my questions, by the way. I’m just interested in your evolution from apologist to critic.

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