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Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:34 pm
by _aussieguy55
https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... f-abraham/
Should make an interesting debate. As I have meager knowledge anyone with more care to critique?
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:47 pm
by _Shulem
I'm in a real mood right now.
John Gee's damned ass needs to be kicked so hard he will never get up.
You're ass is mine, Gee. I'm going to roll you over and do you!
YOU damned liar!
JOHN GEE is a damned liar!
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:52 pm
by _Lemmie
From reddit, username ImTheMarmotKing:
Here, Mormon Apologetic Egyptologist John Gee asserts that four of these Gods are "attested anciently." He also states the "odds of Joseph Smith guessing the names correctly is astronomical." Specifically, he associates these four Gods as:
Elkenah
Gee says this is likely a transliteration of the Hebrew El-qoneh (ʾl qnh), "the god who creates." He associates this with the Hittite god Elkunirša
Libnah
Gee says this could be from "a specific set of (Ugartic) deities called the 'gods of Labana'"
Mahmackrah
Gee provides two different possible Gods here. First, an obscure "god of Beth-Shean" which he provides several possible spellings for, including, Mekal, Mkr, m'qwrwiw. Second, a place called Mammigira. To me, the fact that Gee can arrive at multiple possible unique attestations argues against the "astronomical odds" since, by his own admission, some of his attestations must be coincindental. I think the fact that place-names can be used in place of Gods, and that they don't even have to be particularly close phonetically, also argues against his "astronomical odds."
Korash
This he claims is the Hittite god Kurša, which he then reveals is not actually a deity but a hunting bag, which he claims "functions as the symbol of a deity and is therefore treated as a god." He once again provides an alternate association, undercutting his own point again, with the Hittite deity Zitḫariya. So apparently hunting bags are on the table as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mormon/comment ... n/fye9v32/
Well. That’s a little underwhelming.
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:03 am
by _Shulem
Lemmie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:52 pm
Well. That’s a little underwhelming.
Right. Smith had no idea what he was dealing with. It was right there in front of his face and he didn't even know it!
Hoping Shades can't moderate.
Fingers crossed!
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 am
by _consiglieri
Hebrew? Hittite? Mesopotamian? Ugaritic?
It's a good thing there are so many language pools in which to go fishing.
Gee writes some may see this information as "underwhelming."
I agree.
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 am
by _Dr Moore
All is fair since by 1842, Smith had identified Mor+Mon comprising “More Good” in an english egyptian contraction. God exists in a timeless plane. Who are we to argue with these translations?
Also, ROFL.
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:41 am
by _Dr Exiled
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:43 am
by _Shulem
Dr Moore wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 am
All is fair since by 1842, Smith had identified Mor+Mon comprising “More Good” in an english egyptian contraction. God exists in a timeless plane. Who are we to argue with these translations?
Also, ROFL.
Oh don't get me started.
Min and More = huge penis.
It's right there in Facsimile No. 2.
Smith said so.
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:47 am
by _Shulem
And, I have something special planned for Holy Min as he sits upon his throne!
Holy, holy, holy! It's coming soon. Facsimile No. 2 is the bomb! Salt Lake Temple -- look out, it's coming.
Hey, all you Mormons, look at your Heavenly Father as he sits upon his throne with a boner in his hand.
Re: Gee's paper on Four Idolatrous Gods in the Book of Abraham
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:58 am
by _moksha
The four Idolatrous Gods versus the canopic jars! Gee could get into a real visceral argument with this one.
Will such writings make it harder for Mormons to show their face at academic conferences for Egyptology?