They've got the schtick down pat don't they?Gadianton wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:57 amMust be the sugar rush from all of those M&Ms.
Kiwi57 just made this predictable statement:
"It's appropriate to note here that, whatever Dr Ritner's qualifications for reading the extant papyri, he is in no wise an expert on the Book of Abraham."
And then, the junior apologist Jack says,
"Yeah--he's kind of in the same position that Michael Coe was vis-à-vis the Book of Mormon: An expert in his own field but not on the text in question."
Ehhhyea, not quite, Jacky, m'lad. Whatever Coe had on the Book of Mormon, Ritner is well beyond for the Book of Abraham because 1) there are source documents for Abraham and 2) The Book of Abraham is like 12 pages long, there's literally nothing to become an expert on.
This is the excuse the apologists always use. First, they say that apologetics is overlooked by experts, out of lack of interest. Then, if an expert happens to look, their opinion doesn't count because they haven't invested thousands of hours in reading everything every crack-blistered apologist has written on the subject first. Not that it would matter if they had, of course.
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"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
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Good thing Louis Midgley has weighed in to help balance out the discussion.
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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Oh yeah.....sure, sure...Lou solves all problems, to be sure. Why once, he almost convinced me of something or other......if he would have only shut up he would have accomplished his goal.consiglieri wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:06 amGood thing Louis Midgley has weighed in to help balance out the discussion.
Dr CamNC4Me
"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
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Here's to hoping that the world body of Egyptologists produce a forum wherein a committee of Egyptologists address the claims made by the Mormon Facsimile Explanations. Now that BYU has a couple of Egyptologists, run rogue, they think they can take on the world?
Bring it on! Here's to hoping the pandemic will provide the means where sleeping Egyptologists scattered about will pick up on the story and combine to unite their voice against the apostate Egyptologists from BYU. It's time to go after the Church just like in the 1970's when blacks couldn't get the priesthood.
YOU, John Gee, and Muhlestein, are going to get your just dues. They deserve everything they got coming their way.
You, John Gee, are a punk! PUNK! You're a bully and you need to have your ass thoroughly kicked. And it will be kicked, I swear by the god ANUBIS that your lousy scholarly ass will be kicked!
Bring it on! Here's to hoping the pandemic will provide the means where sleeping Egyptologists scattered about will pick up on the story and combine to unite their voice against the apostate Egyptologists from BYU. It's time to go after the Church just like in the 1970's when blacks couldn't get the priesthood.
YOU, John Gee, and Muhlestein, are going to get your just dues. They deserve everything they got coming their way.
You, John Gee, are a punk! PUNK! You're a bully and you need to have your ass thoroughly kicked. And it will be kicked, I swear by the god ANUBIS that your lousy scholarly ass will be kicked!
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM FACSIMILE NO. 3
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
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I believe there are also no peer-reviewed academic journal articles addressing the Flying Spaghetti Monster.consiglieri wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:34 amThe fact there is virtually none gives Wyatt not a moment's pause.
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Oh boy.Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:41 amOh I SO HOPE SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (wringing hands in gleeful anticipation!!!)Tom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:15 pmIn reading some exchanges elsewhere regarding Dr. Muhlestein’s essay, I’ve learned that a budding Mormon apologist is working on a Bayesian probability analysis of the Book of Abraham evidence. I assume that the Dales will serve as peer reviewers once the manuscript is submitted to Interpreter.
My “Bayesian probability analysis of the [angels, demons and witches of Good Omens] evidence” should be done about the same time. Kyler and I can compare notes on which fiction is more likely to attract naïve believers.
Kyler Ray Rasmussen jcwo • a day ago
.... "Why are apologetics always so concerned with the merely plausible no matter how far fetched while simultaneously ignoring the probable?"
It's funny you should ask. Give me a couple months and we can have this conversation again once I'm finished with my Bayesian probability analysis of the Book of Abraham evidence. It's important when you do that kind of thing that you take into account all of the evidence, and not just the stuff you agree with. I'll be taking a hard look at Ritner and Vogel and doing my best to compare that to what John and Kerry have to say, seeing how the probabilities shake out.
http://disq.us/p/2bgeimu
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Billy Shears weighs in...well worth the read.
Billy Shears Kyler Ray Rasmussen • 5 hours ago
Is your Bayesian analysis for your own edification, or is it something that you plan on publishing? Personally, I'd love to see this make it into, say, Interpreter.
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DanielPeterson Mod Billy Shears • 5 hours ago
In other words, I expect, BS is eagerly anticipating a season of attacking whatever you come up with, along with Interpreter for publishing it.
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Billy Shears DanielPeterson • 4 hours ago
You expect falsely. I am a fan of Bayesian analysis because it helps clarify the arguments being made. I would hope that the article is well thought out and compelling and causes me to learn something new. I would endeavor to take its arguments seriously and give a fair analysis. If my current thinking on this is faulty, I'd love nothing more than to be disabused of my misconceptions.
Frankly, from my seat much of the apologetics surrounding the Book of Abraham seems self-contradictory and is designed to create perceived plausibility by obfuscating the issues. An explicit Bayesian analysis that endeavors to recognize all of the evidence would be refreshing.
In the recent podcast SERIES, John Dehlin interviews Ritner with the help of a podcaster by the name of "RFM," who appears to be intimately familiar with virtually all of the apologetic arguments relating to the Book of Abraham. This increased the value of the podcast tremendously, because RFM was able to continuously play devil's advocate (or if you prefer, "apologist's advocate"), thereby preventing Ritner and Dehlin from attacking straw men or ignoring the evidence in favor of the Abraham hypothesis, whatever it may be.
I raise this as a constructive resource to help Kyler Ray Rasmussen in his endeavor to fairly weigh all of the evidence.
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Hard to stop laughing after reading that salvo from the one and only Billy Shears!
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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IKR? I may have to start using a signature line again, just for this:consiglieri wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:55 pmHard to stop laughing after reading that salvo from the one and only Billy Shears!
....You expect falsely. I am a fan of Bayesian analysis....
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Here is a copy of a chapter out of a book dealing with the Book of the Dead. The author gave me permission to share . Give some important information on several "registers" in fac 2. Note the "Holy Ghost" is a snake.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xoKNOA ... 6eBlG/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xoKNOA ... 6eBlG/view
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