Atheists haven't “redefined” the word faith at all. It’s theists who have used faith in a traditional religious sense for millennia. What in the world are you on about? Again, you said:Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:59 amYes, same thing. Faith from FIDES means trust, "Fidelity" is literally from the word. The universe has fidelity with its laws, and our measurements of them, so we trust it and we can do our science, trust it that it will not change drastically so we can continue to do our sciences.Rivendale
Perhaps Dillahunty's common phrase "levels of confidence" would be a better statement of scientific claims and paradigms.
We trust the chemicals of stars out there because the light spectral lines behaves the same at all times, we trust that, so we learn the chemistry of the stars form the light spectrum of chemical elements. If one day a star showed nitrogen, the next day just carbon and the next day just magnesium, we'd find a better method to trust, since we would lose faith in one that leads to chaos, not order as we have faith in. We have faith in the order we have discovered, because it is still working for us. That is not a religious faith, it is a normal everyday faith. Faith is not just a religious term. The New Atheists have done a lousy job in attempting to redefine it as a religious term only. They didn't succeed. Einstein did not have faith in religion or God, he had faith in the comprehensibility of the universe and it stunned him it was so, very properly.
And now you’re trying to weasel word the broadly accepted meaning of ‘faith’, a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion based on spiritual notions rather than proof, at the feet of atheists? Absurd. You’re also trying to shoehorn a meaning onto ‘fides’ that’s debatable at best, and in bad faith at worst.Faith in a God is no more idiotic than atheist faith in the Cosmos working coherently and intelligibly day by day so we can study it with our science. We all have faith of one thing or another, there is no other way.
What’s your deal?
- Doc