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What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:04 pm
by drumdude
I think most of the world is very unimpressed at a bunch of elderly white men flying around the world to do carefully planned PR events in between the daily managing of the hedge funds and legal issues.
It seems most members have these folk stories about meeting a specific apostle. The apostle, in private, did something that was magic or immensely meaningful for the individual member. Maybe it was a priesthood blessing for a dying relative who went into remission. Or some business advice which magically turned the business around.
Is that, within Christianity, sufficient evidence that these men are actual real apostles? With real, tangible, meaningful keys to the priesthood and the powers that come with it?
It seems to be anyone could act the way the “apostles” do. Many evangelical mega church preachers do. How are we to decide for ourselves if these men are for real? Just pray about it and get those warm fuzzies?
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:44 pm
by Everybody Wang Chung
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:20 am
by msnobody
Real apostles would ascribe all the glory to God.
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:23 am
by Rivendale
msnobody wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:20 am
Real apostles would ascribe all the glory to God.
Please explain why a supreme creator needs glory. Is it some kind of ego thing or is there an unwritten unknown law that gods can't be gods unless they have god followers?
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:47 am
by huckelberry
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:23 am
msnobody wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:20 am
Real apostles would ascribe all the glory to God.
Please explain why a supreme creator needs glory. Is it some kind of ego thing or is there an unwritten unknown law that gods can't be gods unless they have god followers?
Rivendale, I am pretty sure that God has no need for glory to be ascribed to him. God is not lacking but ascribing glory to him is a buffer against people claiming glory to themselves to lord it over other people. We need the transaction not God.
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:50 am
by msnobody
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:23 am
msnobody wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:20 am
Real apostles would ascribe all the glory to God.
Please explain why a supreme creator needs glory. Is it some kind of ego thing or is there an unwritten unknown law that gods can't be gods unless they have god followers?
Neither. He is wholly other from creation. Whether we ascribe glory to him or not, He is still who He is; I Am.
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:51 am
by Rivendale
huckelberry wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:47 am
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:23 am
Please explain why a supreme creator needs glory. Is it some kind of ego thing or is there an unwritten unknown law that gods can't be gods unless they have god followers?
Rivendale, I am pretty sure that God has no need for glory to be ascribed to him. God is not lacking but ascribing glory to him is a buffer against people claiming glory to themselves to lord it over other people. We need the transaction not God.
I need more clarification. What do you mean "We need the transaction?"
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:34 am
by Dr Exiled
Real apostles would have resolved the questions members have clear back in the 1830's and would be leading the charge in missionary work. They'd also not worry about building a Fund like the catholic church has and follow the fictional apostles in the temple movie and only have sufficient for their needs. They'd be out healing all the sick during the pandemic and would solve hunger.
This is all fantasy, though, as there aren't real apostles with any type of authority from a god. We have imposters that act as parasites, taking 10% of the poor's income each year.
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:05 am
by huckelberry
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:51 am
huckelberry wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:47 am
Rivendale, I am pretty sure that God has no need for glory to be ascribed to him. God is not lacking but ascribing glory to him is a buffer against people claiming glory to themselves to lord it over other people. We need the transaction not God.
I need more clarification. What do you mean "We need the transaction?"
Rivendale, I mean we need fewer people being egotistical a holes. And people need to turn away from being that.
I thought that was pretty simple and was puzzled by your question.Then I realized you may be doubting effectiveness. Does a person proclaiming, "I give all the glory to God" mean a lot? I think it is possible it means very little in fact. To my ears claims of that sort sound completely phony. If a person actually is giving the glory to God they are quiet about it and refrain from placing them selves above others.
Re: What would real apostles on the earth look like?
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:13 am
by slskipper
They would look a lot like Albert Schweitzer.