MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:01 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:27 pm
LOL. This is classic projection. You're the one that divided Americans into two baskets: people who believe in God and people who don't. It's you who thinks that everyone in your nonbeliever bucket is the same: Res Ipsa, Stalin, Lenin, Mao -- all go in the same large basket. You are doing the dividing on the basis of religious belief and non belief -- not me.
You’re the one…
It’s you who thinks…
You are doing the dividing…
Res Ipsa, I appreciate what you’re trying to do here. And it’s not appreciated. You spent a good portion of your post ‘spin doctoring’ in one form or another. You are a pro at doing so. You ought to be. As I said earlier, that’s your bread and butter.
Your sophistry is admirable.
But at the end of the day it’s a matter of whether a jury would look at underlying arguments and evidence as having merit and/or whether or not there is reasonable doubt.
You have your own logic, no matter how at odds with other people it may be. I suppose someone who gets inside their own ‘logic bubble’ and makes their ‘truth’ the greater Truth one might call self-righteous.
I read your posts and have not been able to get past the fact that when I read what you write much of it just doesn’t ‘ring true’. I know that is partly my bias. And partly my own belief in an all knowing all wise creator that knows and understands infinitely more than any one of us can understand.
Your arguments and logic are all you have to counter the arguments against God and His commandments. Excuse me if I find your argumentation less than persuasive in regards to reasons that we ought to ignore what many are able to see right in front of their eyes.
Society is changing.
Some things are just right and some things are just wrong. The trick is determining what is what and which is which.
I do appreciate the fact that you’re winging it and trying to do the best you can with the knowledge that you have in regards to morality and ethics. And if it works for you, great. In my earlier posts I expressed some thoughts in regards to why this might be very risky in the population ant large. Especially when there are competing ideas and ideologies that might get in the way.
That’s where the rubber meets the road in respect to whether or not civil society will endure. If we didn’t have so many weapons of destruction at our disposal it wouldn’t be as big a deal. Different world. Different consequences.
Personally, I’d rather place my bets on God and His judgements and knowledge than the wisdom of man which can be fraught with error. I’ve seen that too many times to count…just on this backwoods forum.
Thanks for the conversation. It is enlightening.
Regards,
MG
No you don't "appreciate" what I'm saying. You don't understand it all because you completely fail to make any effort to try and understand what I am saying. It's another example of your blindness: you engage in sophistry (thus, your moniker), so you think everything I am saying is "sophistry."
There is no sophistry involved. You make vague accusations of misrepresentation, but you never can refer to specifics. Because you're doing exactly what you said Doc is doing: you're trying to score points. You listen only up to the point that you think you hear something you can refute. You never make any effort to understand.
You don't seem to have even the loosest grasp on what evidence is and how it works. That's why you end up making so many fallacious arguments.
And you've once again proved that you don't pay attention to a single sentence you write. I haven't tried to argue "against God and his commandments." I'm only arguing that your view of nonbelievers is pure bigotry. That's it. It has nothing to do with whether God exists or whether his commandments are a good idea. But it does confirm that you are so deeply rooted in your holy war that you must make people into your enemies, even when they are not.
If you are relying on whether arguments "ring true," it should be a red flag to you that you are relying entirely on personal bias. The world is filled with people who do good things without God and people who do bad things with God. That alone should caution against broad generalizations about millions of people who have only one thing in common -- the absence of a belief in God. Just as it should caution against broad generalizations about millions of people who have only a single thing in common: belief in God.
That my arguments don't "ring true" to you, is unsurprising. That you actually have been unable to explain why decreasing religiosity in the US is an existential threat other than resort to personal bigotry should tell you something.
You say "some things are just right and some things are just wrong." I have no idea what you are talking about when you think that's some kind of response to anything I've said. But, when it comes to how we live our everyday lives, it's rarely that simple. Murder should be something that's just wrong, no? But the cold blooded murder of Laban in your book of scripture isn't wrong, right? Cold blooded murder isn't always wrong, right? For the most part, that "right and wrong" you refer to is filled with exceptions and justifications and contingencies. That's how we wind up with the Lafferties. You claim that right and wrong are objective absolutes, but when the rubber hits the road -- when we have
to make the kinds of every day decisions we are faced with -- you're as much a moral relativist as I am.
Your recasting of your OP doesn't work when we can all read it and your follow ups. What you have never done in all these pages and pages of posts is describe what you contend is the "ideology" that competes with yours. You simply lump millions of people into a single category and then tell spooky stories about them. Like your "pornography" claim. You never cited a single individual, theist or northeast, that supports putting "pornography" in public schools. But that doesn't stop you from claiming that millions of secularists support that very thing.
You aren't relying on God rather than man. You're just a human being, just like me, who tries to muddle through and be a good person as much as he can. The only significant difference is that you cite God for justification to do whatever you choose to do -- including making bigoted accusations about your fellow humans.