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A long interview with Dan Petersen with the Murph. I was interested in how he reacted to criticism of the Book of Abraham. It seems he either has the catalyst view or perhaps looks at Gee's view that the Book of Abraham is missing (was destroyed).

I was watching it on my TV here in Australia early in the morning and had the sound turned off with dialogue below. It was funny how a machine interprets the words. His Book of Abraham comments at 2:00. Listed below the topics if you do not want wade through it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4etMqGdW5lc&t=14s

00:00 Opening clips
02:39 Introducing thoughts
04:19 Seer stone in the hat and treasure digging
10:40 Did Joseph have the gift as a seer?
12:38 Could Joseph see buried treasure?
15:42 Did the angel and the gold plates evolve from treasure digging
20:15 Did Joseph deemphasise magic in his history?
24:45 Anachronisms in the Book of Mormon
35:21 View of the Hebrews as an influence for the Book of Mormon
38:49 Late War and the First Book of Napoleon
40:40 The King James Bible in the Book of Mormon
48:37 The Lord revealing the translation with KJV language
50:03 Why errors brought through if a pure translation?
52:07 Sermon on the Mount vs Sermon at the temple
58:30 Are new testament passages anachronistic?
1:03:40 Did Joseph study the Bible a lot?
1:05:20 DNA and the Lamanites
1:10:00 Does the Book of Mormon speak of other populations here?
1:13:00 Lamanites in North America?
1:16:30 Who are the Lamanites?
1:19:00 Protestant Christianity in the Book of Mormon
1:22:49 Protestant theology & lack of doctrine in the Book of Mormon
1:27:59 Prophecies in the Book of Mormon, Nephi vs Joseph
1:37:22 Lehi's dream vs Joseph Smith sr's dream
1:40:00 The tower of Babel and the Jaredites
1:44:25 Deutero-Isaiah in the Book of Mormon- textual anachronism?
1:48:30 Responding to naturalistic explanations for the Book of Mormon
1:53:30 William Davis theory for how Joseph composed the Book of Mormon
1:56:13 Why not say the Book of Mormon is a product of Joseph Smith
2:02:12 Dan's view on the Book of Abraham papyrus
2:05:15 Polemic apologetics
2:11:39 Dan receiving personal attacks and threats
2:14:52 Civil dialogue between critics and apologists
2:17:58 What about those who don't believe in Book of Mormon historicity
2:20:18 Muhammad vs Joseph Smith
2:22:39 Does apologetics do more harm than good?
2:28:35 General authorities vs apologists
2:32:05 Are there understandable reasons for leaving the church?
2:36:59 What would cause you to lose your faith?
2:39:19 Guerilla Warfare in the Book of Mormon
2:44:00 Advice to those with faith struggles
2:51:05 Final thoughts

I shall have to take a look.

He doesn’t commit to anything he just flings theories to the wall and watches them all slide down slowly.

2:11:39 Dan receiving personal attacks and threats He says he gets lots of threatening emails. I wonder why people just stick to facts not personal attacks. I know he is not perfect sometimes in his responses but none of us are.

hauslern wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:17 pm

2:11:39 Dan receiving personal attacks and threats He says he gets lots of threatening emails. I wonder why people just stick to facts not personal attacks. I know he is not perfect sometimes in his responses but none of us are

That's why many of us don't believe him when he says he gets a lot of personal attacks that have no substance.

I hear the Midnight Mormons get loads of threats, too…

hauslern wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:19 pm

A long interview with Dan Petersen with the Murph.

I provides some interesting analysis on some particular points Peterson made and quoted him up in the CELESTIAL forum if anyone cares to know more:

Dan Peterson Contemplates a Map I

Dan Peterson Contemplates a Map II

Dan Peterson understands how to translate

Daniel C. Peterson testifies...

consiglieri wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:00 am

I hear the Midnight Mormons get loads of threats, too…

As evidenced by them wearing tactical vests to streamed discussions...

Quick overview.....

Murph gives me an imposter vibe.( I now realize he is reading non believer emails) He rattles off exmormon arguments at DCP machine-gun style. Training wheels? I have heard that from Bushman and others. I still don't understand why the supreme being meets with Joseph face to face has a conversation in English and then throws Joseph to the rock to write a book. Not to mention the angelic visitations who spoke to him and threatened him. ........The dowsing explanation is cringe. Doesn't he investigate these things? He has a PHD for heavens sake. He is shocked that it happened but never investigated it? Dan has been informed over and over again it does not work yet he clings to his experience. It is apparent Dan is influenced by Brian Hales regarding the horse issue. They could have ate them. Less anachronisms over time? Dan thinks linguistics are the key. They don't mean Ben- Hur style chariots. Lidar is the savior for Dan. Dan excuses Joseph from his Isaiah addition to Shakespeare's work translated to German. You lose Shakespeare. God was not worried about that. Farthings are the explanation for not understanding Nephite coins. Dan couldn't reproduce all the connections to the Bible like Joseph did. Dan claims that Mormons created the DNA problem. The genetic evidence will be lost.Dan still thinks the native Americans are Lamanites . By transitive property we can be gods. Dan throws Hinkley under the bus and the current apologetic circles regarding the caricature of becoming gods.Anti Mormon pamphlets are evidence Joseph Smith's name will be for good and bad. Two people can have the same dream. When we are dead and see the real history we will go ...oh....Dan Vogel does not convince Dan. The book reads too much like real ancient history according to Dan. Dan can't get over the fact that some people find the witness testimony mean nothing to them....thanks Gemli. New PHD's are admitted by attacking old PHD's. Dan is mystified by why he is perceived as mean spirited. Dan is worried about emails. Post them.

hauslern wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:17 pm

I wonder why people just stick to facts not personal attacks.

??? People DON’T just stick to facts not personal attacks.