huckelberry wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:42 pm
Markk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:34 am
I listened to this podcast today while commuting. Start at 48:00 minutes to about 54:10. 'Prophet's ask the experts (scholars) instead of trying to become experts themselves.' When I got home I had to listen to this part again to make sure I heard him correctly.
I am having a little trouble putting this into words. I guess as a member I put too much into trusting these men, when I should have been trusting scholars. All those years trusting SWK on what a Lamanite was, when all along I should have been trusting, I guess, Nibley, Ferguson, and Dewy Farnsworth?
Also I kept wondering through the video if Brant really believed what he was saying, like Lamanite was another word for gentile (a dog). That is until when he more or less stated he (a scholar) knew more than them (prophets, seer's, and revelators) and it was not their job but his (scholarship). I guess that SWK and the church had an "adopt a dog" program.
These guys are something else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTZ_hU1aKs
gentile, a dog
Markk that is an odd association, one that has not crossed my mind before. In the past Mormons would sometimes refer to people who were not members as gentiles.
from wikapedia on gentile
Gentile (/ˈdʒɛntaɪl/) is a word that usually means "someone who is not a Jew".[1] Other groups that claim Israelite heritage, notably Mormons, have historically used the term gentile to describe outsiders.[2][3][4] More rarely, the term is used as a synonym for heathen or pagan.[4] As a term used to describe non-members of a religious/ethnic group, gentile is sometimes compared to words used to describe the "outgroup" in other cultures[5] (see List of terms for ethnic out-groups).
In some translations of the Quran, gentile is used to translate an Arabic word that refers to non-Jews and/or people not versed in or not able to read scripture.[6]
The English word gentile derives from the Latin word gentilis, meaning "of or belonging to the same people or nation" (from Latin gēns 'clan, tribe, people, family'). Archaic and specialist uses of the word gentile in English (particularly in linguistics) still carry this meaning of "relating to a people or nation."[4] The development of the word to principally mean "non-Jew" in English is entwined with the history of Bible translations from Hebrew and Greek into Latin and English. Its meaning has also been shaped by Rabbinical Jewish thought and Christian theology[7] which, from the 1st
I guess that does not clarify the role of the church president. Brant Gardner probably knows more on the subject of the Book of Mormon.
The Gentiles were ritually unclean, and referred to as dogs through out the The Old Testament and New Testament, they were not part of the covenant. You can google it and find all sorts or information on it. It is a symbolic term. It lightened up in the New Testament, but even Christ and Paul used the term Dog to describe those outside the new covenant.
What Brant said, if I understood him correctly, is that to explain a LGT, and an already heavy populated America/s, the Mayans, Olmec's, Aztec's, Inca's, Hopewell, Polynesians', and all Native Americans.... were all Lamanites.
He equated it with the Jews and their use of the term gentile, with the Nephites referring all other people in the Americas as Lamanites, which in his mind explains why no other peoples but Lamanites and Nephites are mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
However he did not mention, or I did not here him mention that the term "gentile" is also mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
If he wants to associate the name/term gentile as the Jews used it with the name/term Lamanite.... then he owns the whole meaning, not just part of it. At least in my opinion. After all Leigh was a very educated Jew....right?
This was a hit when I just googled this subject, it is from a Messianic Jew/Rabbi....it found it interesting and a easy read. But like I wrote there is a lot written on this and it gets heavy. When I left Mormonism I took a Old Testament survey class at a local Bible College and this jumped out at me, in that as a saint I often referred to all others as gentiles...., and now after listening to Brant, ironically never as Lamanites.
https://www.emethatorah.com/blog/are-ge ... eally-dogs