Gadianton wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 1:42 am
Valo wrote:We create instruments in science all of the time to detect things we can't detect with our natural senses. When a new instrument gets created it is met with skepticism at first which makes sense.
Too bad its all meaningless. Even when the skepticism fades and the measurements are better accepted, they are just as meaningless as they ever were.
Welcome to the forum, by the way.
Thank you.
What do you mean?
Some thoughts that came to mind for me...
Well, I mean I can't deny that as far as when I look at the world from a certain point of view that it's weird and meaningless.
So for example, I think back through my life. I was born. I don't remember a big chunk from after birth until I was maybe 3 and definitely memories by 4 years old. As far as I can remember I had no idea what the “F” I was doing here, why, what, or anything. The only thing I knew was when I felt hungry, thirsty, or in pain due to illness or otherwise. Then I knew how good it felt to get food or to have the pain go away.
When I was 3 I did not have any expectations, really, about the world around me. I had parents and siblings who basically informed Mr what is what. I was taught I had to wear clothes and do my hair and brush my teeth. I had to go to bed at a certain time. Eventually I was sent away to a school and in school I was taught, besides reading, math, and science, but also culture and social rules and I had to follow rules that were basically arbitrary, etc. My parents went to work and we went to church on Sundays and we did these things on Christmas and we believed this and then I had religious leaders and, voila, next thing you know I'm going through that lifestyle of I can't wait until high-school and then I'll need a career and I'll need to make some money and so I'll be happy when I get my first car. Or I'll be happy when I get through high school and am an adult and can do what I want. Or perhaps after I get my degree and land my dream job. Or maybe when I meet that special someone and we get married and then I'll have meaning, etc.
And yes there is meaning there and so on, but my point is that we are given a certain pair of glasses to see the world through, in this process of growing up in our Western society let's say and when we view the world through this lense we can miss certain aspects of reality that are real but we just aren't looking at them or can't seem them because we don't have the correct instrument.
Unless we are about to deny reality and that physical, material realm doesn't exists, and I doubt any of you would stake your actual life on it that it does not, then there is a point where philosophy ends and things like physical pain or injury, etc. matters. It's gonna matter to the person experiencing the pain or the suffering.
There is a reason why the way of the world is the way it is and that is because it is profitable. Nobody really does something good. There usually is some hidden purpose. There always is, really. Why do we do anything for each other, ever? Don't we post out here to get a dopamine boost or maybe we don't anymore but used too? Or do we say things to get social validation? And why do we want validation if everything is meaningless? Clearly the it's meaningful to the person who wants validation from others. But why? Why do we want others to like us? To accept us? So society can keep functioning? Begs the question. So we can get something in return? So we can work together? Question begging too. Seems it boils down to survival. We want to keep surviving and living and going on doing what we do. Which is, what?
What do we do? We go to work, we come home, do our thing, family, hobbies, shop, browse, chill, eat, drink, have sex, watch TV, movies, plays, I mean you name it, we are doing it. And it seems like we just want that to go on at least for ourselves or our family.
I mean most people I guess are happy with how the world is and feel personal peace and joy day to day or a sense of fulfillment.
When does something become real?
