When treating people with respect is just too difficult for some.

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When treating people with respect is just too difficult for some.

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This is when you tell your kid their TBM aunt is a bigot.
Text my trans kid got from my TBM sister in law:
Hello! I just need to let you know something. I've been struggling with using non-biological pronouns for over a decade. It creates a massive amount of stress and discord within myself and is just not healthy for me. I have come to the conclusion that I will no longer be using non- biological pronouns with anybody. I will use your legal name/nickname (Is that still XXXXX have you officially changed it to XXXXXX.

My love and appreciation of you as a person is unchanged. I just can't do the pronouns anymore. I'm truly sorry if this causes difficult feelings for you. That's not my intention. My intention is to do the best possible thing for my personal mental and emotional health. This is something that I need to put to rest within myself. I love you and I hope for all the good things for you in life!
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No one deserves this. The reddit responses from fellow exmos are excellent.
[–]GigglemanEsq 527 points an hour ago

"I have some good news that should be liberating to you. Because all language is invented and thus has no intrinsic meaning, all pronouns are made up and have no absolute connection with biology. That means you can use whatever pronouns make the person you're speaking with or about happy. It's really no different from how you call church members brother or sister, even though biologically they are not your sibling. See? Gendered terminology even transcends biology in the church, so this should be second nature to you."

[–]wanon9 76 points an hour ago

Did you come up with this on the spot? So clear and concise - genius even

[–]GigglemanEsq 16 points 13 minutes ago

I mean, it's really just me using my pedantic lawyer brain to be a smarmy asshole in a way that doesn't lend itself to accusations of being an asshole. That's pretty much my whole deal.

[–]crimson23locke 1 point 4 minutes ago

F****** legend.
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The comments are great.
B3gg4r
Making others happy brings me joy, therefore, I will be using the pronouns that each person wishes me to use because it’s not a big deal!

loadnurmom
Wow.... What self righteous egotistical BS trying to turn it around "using the wrong pronouns makes me uncomfortable"

There's many ways to go on this one mine would be along the lines of

"Your attempt to play the victim proves you do not love us and would be actively harmful to have around my family especially my trans child. You do not have their best interests at heart if this is genuinely the way you feel. Instead it would appear you are grasping at straws to justify your bigotry.

I will be cutting contact until such time that you can learn to have the tiniest modicum of decency. This is being done to protect my own family."

Blunt as a club with no room for her to play victim.

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If using a family member’s preferred pronouns causes mental and emotional health problems, you might want to talk to a professional about that. And no, the bishop doesn’t count.
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Mormons building giant bright buildings in non-Mormons' backyards is also something that makes people uncomfortable.
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Pronouns are an easy gift of recognition. I know who you are. I see you. How stingy and unkind to refuse.
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Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well. Just sayin’. :roll:

A couple of years ago, a patient legally changed her name to ___ Jesus. I never had to call her by name after the name change, but had thought I would not call her by her new full two-word name as I felt I’d be using Jesus’ name in vain. My thoughts were to just use the new first name without the Jesus part. Perhaps that would be a compromise that would be respectful for the both of us.
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Wow, Marcus. That’s the most extreme example of passive aggression that I’ve seen in a long time. Man, I don’t miss that part of Mormon culture.
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msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well...
No, I don't think so. Having a deeply held conviction is fine, but imposing one's deeply held conviction on another person in a way that openly and specifically disrespects that other person, as the post quoted in the OP does, does NOT deserve respect.
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The two parties involved probably are getting along in spite of it, while online posters argue the point.
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msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well. Just sayin’. :roll:

A couple of years ago, a patient legally changed her name to ___ Jesus. I never had to call her by name after the name change, but had thought I would not call her by her new full two-word name as I felt I’d be using Jesus’ name in vain. My thoughts were to just use the new first name without the Jesus part. Perhaps that would be a compromise that would be respectful for the both of us.
What do you call the thousands of Latino men named Jesus? Or what about “Body of Christ, Texas.”

Wasn’t his name in his native language a common one?

Do you really think Jesus would somehow be offended at you for using a patient’s legal name?
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