DCP, living in the past.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:04 am
I just cut and pasted a comment on Dan's blog. The last time I tried to have a conversation with him he cut me off so he could have the last word. I am just curious if he will allow my comment. I honestly do not think he understand that things have changed in the past 25 years of so, especially post Essays and podcasts.
How about those that were born and raised in the church, and those that served missions and held callings, in which they taught teachings that the church now concedes as being false or can me shown clearly false with a simple google search? Like the Stone in the Hat, or Joseph actually has sex with many of his wives. How about facsimile 3 and Josephs clear inability to translate Egyptian? Or maybe Lucy Walkers sad existence as a wife of Joseph Smith.
Dan, I would love to see you expound on just what those "exercised evangelical Protestants," who are "skimming through" teachings and doctrines of CoJCoLdS past teachings are today.
Dan, it is 2024, things have changed, big time. The debates have evolved from "Adieu" and the KJV only arguments we used to have 25 -30 years ago. The narrative is today, as Bushman asserted, is a narrative that can't survive today.
Such as? What is ironic, that those "anti Mormon" web sites these days, more often than not, quote history that the church now concedes on LDS .org, or even the interpreter or FAIR.... etc.DCP wrote...I can’t count the number of conversations about my own religious beliefs that I’ve had with others, especially with often quite exercised evangelical Protestants, in which they’ve said to me “You believe x!” and I’ve responded not only that, no, I don’t believe x but that, in fact, I’m unaware of anybody in my church who believes x. To which the challenger then responds “But that’s what your church teaches!” To which I’ve replied that, in all of my (now) many decades as a member and a missionary and a teacher and a writer and a sometime leader for my church, and as a long-time resident of Utah and a long-time professor of my church’s flagship university, I’ve never taught or been taught x as Church doctrine.” “Well, that’s still what your church believes!” answers the challenger. And, sometimes, if the challenger is especially well-equipped, he or (very occasionally) she will present me with a decontextualized supporting quotation from Journal of Discourses 14:234 or from an obscure 1950s book by a long forgotten member of the First Council of Seventy or a onetime Institute teacher that seems to endorse x. Seldom if ever, by the way, a passage that the challenger discovered on his or her own via serious research. Instead, it’s typically one that he or she came across while skimming through an anti-Mormon website.
How about those that were born and raised in the church, and those that served missions and held callings, in which they taught teachings that the church now concedes as being false or can me shown clearly false with a simple google search? Like the Stone in the Hat, or Joseph actually has sex with many of his wives. How about facsimile 3 and Josephs clear inability to translate Egyptian? Or maybe Lucy Walkers sad existence as a wife of Joseph Smith.
Dan, I would love to see you expound on just what those "exercised evangelical Protestants," who are "skimming through" teachings and doctrines of CoJCoLdS past teachings are today.
Dan, it is 2024, things have changed, big time. The debates have evolved from "Adieu" and the KJV only arguments we used to have 25 -30 years ago. The narrative is today, as Bushman asserted, is a narrative that can't survive today.