Interpreter's War with the Heartlanders Rages On

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Interpreter's War with the Heartlanders Rages On

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It's Friday, which means that it's a ripe opportunity to remind everyone that the Interpreter President lied (or was mistaken?) for years about Interpreter publishing a "new journal article" for however many hundreds of weeks in a row. Now that we're nearly 3 months deep into 2025, it has been richly satisfying to tune into "SeN" to see that particular nugget of chutzpah absent from the usual announcements. As for today? It's a silly puff piece from Brant Gardner in which he reviews a book that was published by (drumroll) The Interpreter Foundation! Now *that* is what you call Mopologetic peer review! LOL!

But I digress. It's actually *last* week's pieces that deserve mention. It would seem like there was something of a "bait and switch" underway, whereby the Interpreter team reviewed a Heartlander work, and then actually invited the author(s) to publish a response to the initial reviews. Indeed, that response appeared last Friday. However, the Editors were not content to simply let things stand--no way! In fact, the Editors offered up this peculiar disclaimer:
[Editor’s note: We are pleased to present this response to two recent book reviews in the pages of Interpreter. Consistent with practice in many academic journals, we are also publishing a rejoinder from the authors of those reviews immediately following this response.]
No way will the Heartlanders be allowed the last work in *this* venue! And so we get the two snarling responses from Brant Gardner and Jeff Lindsay. Gardner's "response" is rather hilariously titled, "Responding to a Non-Responsive Response," and it is barely a page long. You have to wonder: Why did he bother at all? One answer may be that he was preoccupied with his puff-piece review of the Interpreter book that was published today. Regardless, Gardner concludes his "Non-Responsive Response" by insinuating that Lucas and Neville are liars:
Gardner wrote:I hope that the continued employment of this fallacy by Lucas and Neville results from their misunderstanding and not an intentional misrepresentation. Either way, the understanding of their readers is not enlarged.
Lindsay is far more diplomatic, though he doesn't hold back from describing Neville and Lucas as lousy scholars, and also suggesting that their work may have "potentially harmful consequences," which is in keeping with the way that the Mopologists have tried to undermine the Heartlanders. And in the conclusion, Lindsay seems to undermine his entire article (and Gardner's, and the entire history of Interpreter's responses to the Heartlanders), with this strange line:
We can squabble over the cloudy details of the translation, but let’s focus on the marvelous work and a wonder that has yet many miracles to work if we will take it seriously.
If he and Gardner cannot "focus on the marvelous work and a wonder," and cannot resist taking jabs at Lucas, Neville, Meldrum, and the rest of the Heartlanders, then why would he expect the same from *them*?

It is worth noting that Jack Welch's organization, Scripture Central, *has* taken steps to make amends with the Heartlanders, and to genuinely treat them as fellow Saints. Interpreter, though, is carrying on with the usual warfare, it would seem. You have to wonder if this will lead to consequences in 2025. We will have to wait and see.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:46 pm
It is worth noting that Jack Welch's organization, Scripture Central, *has* taken steps to make amends with the Heartlanders, and to genuinely treat them as fellow Saints. Interpreter, though, is carrying on with the usual warfare, it would seem. You have to wonder if this will lead to consequences in 2025. We will have to wait and see.
Wasn't there some early LDS prophecy involving a white salamander at a treasure-digging site that proclaimed, "In the end, there can be only one"? It sounds like the Interpreter might be running on that prophecy.

I can see the wisdom of why the Heartlanders and the Mezoamericanites might want to combine forces and come up with a better story or simply acknowledge their stories to be fictional.
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I don't agree with the maps included with Lord of the Rings. Soon, I will publish my book-length study of the topic.

;) :lol:
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They should get John Pack Lambert added to the team. They’d be able to publish their signature, low quality articles every day of the week, not just Friday! :lol:
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:46 pm
It's Friday, which means that it's a ripe opportunity to remind everyone that the Interpreter President lied (or was mistaken?) for years about Interpreter publishing a "new journal article" for however many hundreds of weeks in a row. Now that we're nearly 3 months deep into 2025, it has been richly satisfying to tune into "SeN" to see that particular nugget of chutzpah absent from the usual announcements.
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Incidentally, today marks the six-hundred-and-sixty-first (661st) consecutive Friday of publication for Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship since its founding 662.5 weeks ago. At least one article has appeared each week, without interruption, since we launched the journal back in August of 2012, and sometimes two or even three articles have been published on the same Friday.
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Ah, how nice to see the vacuous braggadocio return! Well, hey: at least he’s not continuing to perpetuate the obvious falsehood that Interpreter was publishing “scholarship”—or even original material—on a weekly basis.

He really ought to just stick to eating and vacationing. Interpreter is a pretty clear illustration of what all his intellectual and personal limitations are, as is his blogging.
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I was about to give up and acknowledge cognitive decline moving into serious neurosis. I had my response in mind, but then when I reviewed the thread contents, what I intended to respond to wasn't there. I feel a little better now having done a forum search and I see that the key comment I'd read from my phone was on a different thread. Drumdude provided this quote on another thread:
A helpful note for anybody who might find this difficult and bewildering: The piece to which I link above is part of our book chapter reprint series. It is not an article in Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship. Items in our book chapter reprint series appear on Thursdays. (Today is Thursday.) Articles in the Journal appear on Fridays. (Today is not Friday. Tomorrow will be Friday.) I hope this helps!
(661st) consecutive Friday of publication...At least one article has appeared each week, without interruption, si
This is earth-shaking. A diabolical mastermind at work. It's the 661st consecutive Friday of publication for Interpreter -- which it is independent of whether anything is actually published that day. One day a month is "water delivery" day for me, whether or not any water is actually delivered. He claims only that something is published weekly, without interruption, not necessarily on Friday. Given that Thursday is "reprint day", it makes for a spectacular plan. Put no effort into securing a fresh Friday publication, if it comes it comes, if it doesn't, then recycle Thursday puts something out for sure, and claiming victory is only predicated on something coming out once a week.
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Here’s a question for you: What do you suppose Interpreter will publish for the 666th week? It’s fast approaching….
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:20 am
Here’s a question for you: What do you suppose Interpreter will publish for the 666th week? It’s fast approaching….
I was just thinking exactly that myself.........
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It was amusing to see the Afore define a "book" review (the "book" being a compilation of a handful of articles previously published) as a "review-article," as though the invention of that ridiculous term would convince people that a book review is a peer-reviewed journal article. Spoiler alert, it is not.
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