On being assigned female gender

[sock puppet]

On 27 Sept 1961, LDS 1st Presidency counselors Henry D. Moyle and Hugh B. Brown wrote to U.S. Dept. of Interior Secretary Stewart Udall in response to Udall's advising Moyle and Brown about the growing criticism of the LDS church about racial equality and the rights of minority groups. The context was the placing in Tooele UT of "a large group of negro families".

Moyle and Brown wrote to Udall, in part (underlining added)--

In 1949 the First Presidency, after discussion with the Council of the Twelve, wrote the following:

"The attitude of the Church with reference to negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: 'Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we are now entitled to.'

"President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: 'The Day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.'

"The position of the Church regarding the negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality' and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the principle itself indicates that the coming to this earth and taking on mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintained their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood, is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the negroes."

The Mormon priesthood is withheld from women. As said in the quoted passage, not being entitled to 'the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood' is a handicap, tied to their behavior in the Mormon pre-existence.

So, were the spirits born as women on earth less valiant than the spirits born as men? Is being a woman considered a handicap in LDS theology?

[I Have Questions]

It is worth noting that the First Presidency letter of 1949 that you mention has been disavowed in a statement entitled “Race and the Priesthood” but that disavowing statement is unsigned, and is not declared revelation. In those respects the 1949 Letter has more provenance and standing than anything contradictory that has been published later. And the current First Presidency knows it. ‘Race and the Priesthood’ is a nod and a wink document. Published to appease the activists but the leaders don’t really mean it. If they did, it would be signed.

Notwithstanding that point, you are quite right in pointing out that the statement about lacking the ability to the Priesthood is to be considered a handicap, yes that applies to women. The 1949 FP are saying that in the pre mortal existence, some people chose to be women and incur the handicap of not being Priesthood holders.

[Moksha]

So, were the spirits born as women on earth less valiant than the spirits born as men? Is being a woman considered a handicap in LDS theology?

It all goes back to the Heaven War. The Coffee and Tea plants grew within the demilitarized zone and close to the barbed wire fence marking the Realm of Satan.

Similarly, the Female Intelligences floated right over there to have a spot of tea without once firing a single Musket Shot. They received the Curse of the Unfired Musket Shot. This becomes obvious if you apply Mormon reasoning (that Devil word again!).

There is speculation that after the last male infant receives his Celestial estate, perhaps these so-called "Women" can receive the lesser priesthood with the consent of their husbands.

Look, Mormons are not just making this stuff up.

[Dr. Shades]

It all goes back to the Heaven War. The Coffee and Tea plants grew within the demilitarized zone and close to the barbed wire fence marking the Realm of Satan.

Similarly, the Female Intelligences floated right over there to have a spot of tea without once firing a single Musket Shot. They received the Curse of the Unfired Musket Shot. This becomes obvious if you apply Mormon reasoning (that Devil word again!).

There is speculation that after the last male infant receives his Celestial estate, perhaps these so-called "Women" can receive the lesser priesthood with the consent of their husbands.

Look, Mormons are not just making this stuff up.

Unlike you, right?

[Moksha]

Unlike you, right?

This reminds me of bickering with the proprietor of that other board, but he had Pahoran and Dr. Midgley goading him on.