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My new video premieres Friday, 22 Aug. 2025, at 7:00 PM Mountain Time. The title is “Schooling Jacob Hansen on the Book of Abraham – A Response by Dan Vogel.”

Dan Vogel critiques Jacob Hansen’s explanations about the Book of Abraham in an interview with well-known atheist Alex O’Connor, highlighting Hansen’s lack of familiarity with the primary sources and reliance on secondhand apologetics. Vogel points out that evidence from the Kirtland Egyptian Papers and the recovered Hor papyrus supports the idea that Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham from these materials. He further addresses and challenges Hansen’s analogies and interpretations, referencing Egyptologist Robert Ritner to argue that Smith had no ability to read or translate Egyptian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiBalURH2sk&t=20s

Do you discuss Shinehah in particular?

Regards,
MG

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:17 am

Do you discuss Shinehah in particular?

Regards,
MG

Don’t be lazy. Watch the video and find out.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:17 am

Do you discuss Shinehah in particular?

And what have you said about Shinehah?

Look here and you'll see that Shinehah has been discussed by people who know what they're talking about:

Jeff Lindsay and Stephen O. Smoot take aim at Dan Vogel over “Shinehah”

PS. I have little confidence in Jacob Hansen's ability to represent Smith's involvement with Egyptology. And I have none in yours because you are a deceiver.

I Have Questions wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:07 am

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:17 am

Do you discuss Shinehah in particular?

Regards,
MG

Don’t be lazy. Watch the video and find out.

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation. Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

If I'm wrong, I'm willing to be corrected.

Regards,
MG

One would wish mentalgymnasts could take their own advice:

... read the links and take from them what you will...

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:05 pm

I Have Questions wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:07 am

Don’t be lazy. Watch the video and find out.

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation. Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

If I'm wrong, I'm willing to be corrected.

Regards,
MG

Have you studied the scholarship and examined the scholarly consensus that Abraham was a mythical figure?

drumdude wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:58 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:05 pm

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation. Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

If I'm wrong, I'm willing to be corrected.

Regards,
MG

Have you studied the scholarship and examined the scholarly consensus that Abraham was a mythical figure?

I will answer your question if you will answer or give some substantiative comment on my earlier question:

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation. Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

Am I wrong? What do YOU make of Shinehah and the conversations that have gone on surrounding the 'random' use of this word by Joseph Smith in the Book of Abraham? I'm asking because I would expect there are some brilliant minds here, including Marcus's, that could add some light on this topic. It seems to present a conundrum for the critics.

Or maybe not?

Regards,
MG

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation.

There's no duck and weave. There is no ancient Egyptian correlation.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

No, it cannot.

Please reference something that's not a BYU/Farms type of apologetics to make your argument.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

It seems to present a conundrum for the critics.

What critic has acknowledged this as some kind of conundrum?

Morley wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:21 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

In the past Dan Vogel has been rather 'duck and weave' when it comes to going into any depth on the topic of Shinehah. He says it was used as a 'code' word in the D&C, if I'm not mistaken, but fails to attribute the ancient Egyptian correlation.

There's no duck and weave. There is no ancient Egyptian correlation.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

Not only that, but that Shinehah can be traced to the time of Abraham's life in Egypt.

No, it cannot.

Please reference something that's not a BYU/Farms type of apologetics to make your argument.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:04 pm

It seems to present a conundrum for the critics.

What critic has acknowledged this as some kind of conundrum?

I suppose you might respond to the following with something other than "No, it cannot" or "there is no"...without providing any backup for what you're saying.

https://www.arisefromthedust.com/trying ... -shinehah/

https://pearlofgreatpricecentral.org/shinehah-the-sun/

https://scholarsarchive.BYU.edu/byusq/vol61/iss4/24/

https://byustudies.BYU.edu/article/shinehah-the-sun

If you are aware of a piece by Dan Vogel that tears this all to shreds, please do so.

Regards,
MG