John Gee Accuses JSP of "subscrib[ing]...to anti-Mormon theories about...the Book of Abraham."

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John Gee Accuses JSP of "subscrib[ing]...to anti-Mormon theories about...the Book of Abraham."

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Holy crap! The first serious "hit piece" from Mormon Interpreter has just exploded onto the scene. The essay is really quite stunning, and it's impossible to view this as being in any way detached from the context of Brian Hauglid's interview on the "Radio Free Mormon" podcast, and the subsequent fallout from that. At first, one gets the impression that Gee was "ordered" by someone to "kiss and make up." Take a look at the abstract:
Abstract: For many theories about the Book of Abraham, the Egyptian Alphabet documents are seen as the key to understanding the translation process. While the original publication of those documents allows many researchers access to the documents for the first time, careful attention to the Joseph Smith Papers as a whole and the practices of Joseph Smith’s scribes in particular allows for improvements in the date, labeling, and understanding of the historical context of the Egyptian Alphabet documents.This essay supports the understanding of these documents found in the other volumes of the Joseph Smith Papers that the Egyptian Alphabet documents are an incidental by-product of the translation process rather than an essential step in that process.
Seems quite scholarly and benign, right? Given what ensues, though, you'd think that somebody completely other than Gee wrote this abstract. (I'm guessing Jeff Lindsay had a hand in this one.) But the editorial heavy-hand didn't seem to make it to the rest of the essay. Just take a look at the way that Gee is practically snarling with rage in some paragraphs, such as this one:
Gee wrote:There are three basic theories about the original source text from which the Book of Abraham was translated. One is that Joseph Smith translated the text of the Book of Abraham from the papyri fragments we now have. Few members of the Church believe this theory, but it is pushed by anti-Mormons. The second theory is that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham from papyri that we do not currently possess. The third theory is that Joseph Smith received the Book of Abraham directly through revelation without possessing a text that contained the ancient text of the Book of Abraham. The Church accommodates either of the latter two theories. Presumably, the Joseph Smith Papers Project would be fine with either of the latter two options.
What?? LOL! "pushed by anti-Mormons"? Uh, isn't that the pre-eminent theory among "serious" LDS scholars? And what support does Gee have for the claim that "The Church accommodates either of the latter two theories [but not the first one, we assume?]"? Is there an official statement from the Brethren on this? Because if there isn't, then what gives him the right to declare certainty on doctrinal matters like this? (Elsewhere, he repeatedly uses the phrase, "As we have seen..." Oh, have "we"? Once again, he fails to provide citations of any kind, though you pretty much have to assume that he's either (a) referring to his own, published Mopologetic works (in other words, the "Royal 'We'", meaning that his argument is entirely self-serving, and supported by a scholarly army of one, or, (b) there is either a legitimate or assumed audience out there that Gee is aware of/imagining, and Gee knows that this audience is familiar with whatever he's talking about. Like, this is addressed specifically to people who have sat through his FAIR Conference talks, and doesn't assume an audience beyond those people.

Regardless, the article is a classic "hit piece," devoid of evidence and mainly intended as polemical smear. Here's another great paragraph:
Only if one assumes that Joseph Smith tried to translate the Book of Abraham from papyri that have survived does the program propounded by the editors make any kind of sense. Although attributing the Grammar and Alphabet to Joseph Smith is not required for Joseph Smith to have translated the Book of Abraham from the current papyri, adopting this theory makes it easier to argue for this option. This scenario is pushed by critics of the Church, and not many members of the Church believe it.

Assigning the Grammar and Alphabet to Joseph Smith (for which, incidentally, there is absolutely no evidence) undercuts the direct [Page 96]inspiration scenario. It also does not work well with the scenario that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham from different papyri.

As we have seen, the editors of the documents promote a historical scenario in which Joseph Smith decided to produce an Egyptian Alphabet, and used it to produce the Book of Abraham. This is the scenario promoted by critics of the Church. Other possibilities, including the two theories most commonly held by members of the Church, are ignored.
So, somehow, the Editors of the JSP--who were appointed by the Brethren themselves, if I'm not mistaken--are being depicted as "critics of the Church" by Gee. That is some hardcore chutzpah there--to criticize the Brethren's decision-making so brazenly, and in print! And under the guise of "peer review"! You really have to wonder what these guys have been smoking. It is only a matter of time before the butcher's bill comes around.

In any event, Gee wraps this whole thing up with this remarkable paragraph:
Such insights may be obtained by careful study of the documents if one does not subscribe, as the editors do, to anti-Mormon theories about the production of the Book of Abraham. The evidence of editorial bias in JSPRT4 is demonstrable, pervasive, and systemic. This bias opposes the interests of the Joseph Smith Papers institutional sponsors, the beliefs of most members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and (most importantly) the evidence of the manuscripts being published.
Wow: "editorial bias...is demonstrable, pervasive, and systemic"? "Systemic"? Meaning, one assumes, that this tendency was the product of 'the System'? Hmmm... What might that refer to? What "system" is somehow tinkering with what is arguably the most significant official Church historical project that's ever been undertaken in the entire history of the Church?

In any case, I highly recommend that you pop yourself some popcorn.
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Re: John Gee Accuses JSP of "subscrib[ing]...to anti-Mormon theories about...the Book of Abraham."

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Dr. Gee" wrote:Such insights may be obtained by careful study of the documents if one does not subscribe, as the editors do, to anti-Mormon theories about the production of the Book of Abraham. The evidence of editorial bias in JSPRT4 is demonstrable, pervasive, and systemic.
Was it someone on this board that turned the editors of the Joseph Smith Papers into Anti-Mormons?

Wonder if the members of that project might object strongly enough to request that the Bill Gay Chair of Research be transferred to BYU Rexburg or perhaps Snow College's LDS Institute.
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Incidental vs. essential

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Abstract wrote: This essay supports the understanding of these documents found in the other volumes of the Joseph Smith Papers that the Egyptian Alphabet documents are an incidental by-product of the translation process rather than an essential step in that process.

Let's put those very words into Smith's own mouth, kick the prophet in the teeth, and flush his Alphabet down the toilet:
On 1 October 1835, Oliver Cowdery wrote the following for Joseph Smith wrote:
This after noon labored on the Egyptian alphabet, an incidental by-product of the translation process, in company with brsr O Cowdery and W. W. Phelps: The system of astronomy was unfolded rather than an essential step in that process.

How can something be "unfolded" by the Spirit of God if it's not an essential step in that process? You'd think that an "Alphabet" is an essential step in the process of translating rather than just an incidental by-product in unfolding the mysteries of a language.
D&C 11:7 wrote:behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you,
D&C 32:4 wrote:And they shall give heed to that which is written, and pretend to no other revelation; and they shall pray always that I may unfold the same to their understanding.
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Joseph Smith translated the TEXT!

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John Gee wrote:There are three basic theories about the original source text from which the Book of Abraham was translated. One is that Joseph Smith translated the text of the Book of Abraham from the papyri fragments we now have. Few members of the Church believe this theory, but it is pushed by anti-Mormons.

Or in other words:

Joseph Smith translated the text of the Book of Abraham FACSIMILES 2 & 3 from the papyri fragments PRINTED FACSIMILES we now have.

FACSIMILE NO. 2 EXPLANATION wrote:The above translation is given as far as we have any right to give at the present time.

Few members of the Church believe the following, but it is pushed by anti-Mormons:
FACSIMILE NO. 2 EXPLANATION Fig. 8. wrote:Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God.
FACSIMILE NO. 3 EXPLANATION Fig. 2. wrote:King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.
FACSIMILE NO. 3 EXPLANATION Fig. 4. wrote:Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.
FACSIMILE NO. 3 EXPLANATION Fig. 5. wrote:Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.

Yes, I will agree, the above is pushed by anti-Mormons!
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Translating the characters

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John Gee wrote:The second theory is that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham from papyri that we do not currently possess.

The same cannot be said for hieroglyphic text in the registers of Facsimile No. 3, by which Smith directly translated:

King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.
Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.
Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.



Anti-Mormons push that too!
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Possessing a text

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John Gee wrote:The third theory is that Joseph Smith received the Book of Abraham directly through revelation without possessing a text that contained the ancient text of the Book of Abraham.

But Facsimile No. 3 is part of the book of Abraham, and we *have* that text!

King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.
Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.
Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.



Anti-Mormons push that too!
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Have your cake and eat it too

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John Gee wrote:The Church accommodates either of the latter two theories.

Except for when it comes to Facsimile No. 3!

John Gee, you're a liar. How do you sleep at night? You poor sick man. Get help.
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Re: John Gee Accuses JSP of "subscrib[ing]...to anti-Mormon theories about...the Book of Abraham."

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Doctor Scratch wrote:What?? LOL! "pushed by anti-Mormons"? Uh, isn't that the pre-eminent theory among "serious" LDS scholars? And what support does Gee have for the claim that "The Church accommodates either of the latter two theories [but not the first one, we assume?]"? Is there an official statement from the Brethren on this? Because if there isn't, then what gives him the right to declare certainty on doctrinal matters like this?

Elder George Albert Smith announced to the entire Church that Latter-day Saints accept at "face value", Smith's declaration that the papyrus was written by Abraham's own hand and the translations tendered in that work are true and correct.
Elder George Albert Smith, General Conference, October 1925 wrote:And then the Latter-day Saints have another witness, and I am minded to read to you, just briefly, the testimony of something that the world has not yet received, but which, to my mind, is the truth as contained upon papyrus, and I will read the heading of this:

"A translation of some ancient records, that have fallen into our hands, from the catacombs of Egypt; the writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus." The Latter-day Saints accept the statement at face value, as contained in the first and second chapters of Genesis. Yea, we believe the Bible, all the Bible, to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly, and in addition we find in this translation that has been given to us from papyrus

"Truth as contained upon papyrus"

1. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God
2. Called by the Egyptians Oliblish
3. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince

"A translation of some ancient records"

1. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head
2. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand
3. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand

"Writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt"

1. And it came to pass that the priests laid violence upon me, that they might slay me also, as they did those virgins upon this altar; and that you may have a knowledge of this altar, I will refer you to the representation at the commencement of this record
2. Abraham fastened upon an altar
3. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne


All of the above, of course, are pushed by anti-Mormons!
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I marvel at the irony of Brother Gee's "three theories." I would have been so surprised as a teenager to know the account of the translation of the Book of Abraham that I was taught in release-time Seminary (early 1970's) would come to be supported only by "anti-Mormons." :shock:
Brother Gee says "few members of the Church believe in this theory." He should at least acknowledge how many members in the past have believed in the first theory, and how many still believe :o in that shocking theory, simply because they aren't involved in the most recent apologetics.
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It seems to me that with all the political distractions of late, that the most hardcore apologists are using this time to seize as much power as they can while people aren't looking.
So, somehow, the Editors of the JSP--who were appointed by the Brethren themselves, if I'm not mistaken--are being depicted as "critics of the Church"
It's not just a way to take the JSP down a notch, but really, they're saying that the Church leaders answer to them.
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