Discussion of Obama and narcissism

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_richardMdBorn
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Discussion of Obama and narcissism

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Here's a LONG but interesting discussion of Obama; I suggest that you read the whole thing. It won't make his fans happy. You may think it extreme; I find it amazing how uncritical many people are of Obama.

The cause of the narcissist is himself. Everything else is a tool, a stepping stone for the narcissist to ascend to power. Narcissists don’t have any ideology. They champion the cause that has a better chance of making their ascent to power easier.

Vaknin writes: “Narcissists use anything they can lay their hands on in the pursuit of narcissistic supply. If God, creed, church, faith, and institutionalized religion can provide them with narcissistic supply, they will become devout. They will abandon religion if it can’t.”
Therefore, the question whether Obama is a Muslim or a Christian, whether he is pro Palestine, as he has been all his life or whether he is pro Israel, whether he is a black supremacist or an agent of racial harmony, are moot. Obama is anything you want him to be and situation dictates. He takes the side that is more expedient to his cause. To communists he is a comrade, to Islamists he is their man, to Palestinian fighters he is their hope and to the Jews he is a staunch Zionist. The narcissist’s creed is himself. Everything else is negotiable.

Obama will do and say anything as long as it suits him. He will embrace any cause, will align himself with anyone, and will shift his position wherever the wind blows. Narcissists are chameleons.

Obama voted “present” in the Senate most of the time, (130 times to be precise) not because they were too difficult decisions, as Rudy Giuliani said at the GOP convention, but because those issues were not relevant to his cause.

Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention. If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The “present” vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Why should he implicate himself in issues that may become controversial when they don’t help him personally? Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.

Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him with a fellowship and an office to work on his book. The book took him a lot longer than expected and at the end it devolved into…, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which, he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father .

Not surprisingly, Adolf Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?

Narcissists are magical thinkers. They live in a world of fantasy; fantasies of grandiosity and unlimited power. But they are convinced that those fantasies will become reality because they are special and destined for greatness. That is why Obama already sees himself as president and acts presidential. The very fact that he travelled abroad and visited with several heads of states is another sign of this man’s delusions of grandiosity. He is not representing the government. Under what pretext he visited those heads of states and entered into negotiations with them?

Vaknin explains, “Bragging and false autobiography – The narcissist brags incessantly. His speech is peppered with ‘I’, ‘my’, ‘myself’, and ‘mine’. He describes himself as intelligent, or rich, or modest, or intuitive, or creative – but always excessively, implausibly, and extraordinarily so.”

Narcissists Are Dangerous.

Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama’s lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.

Compare this to what the McCains did. They brought a child from Bangladesh with facial deformities - a little girl with no chance for a normal life – and with plastic surgery restored her beauty and adopted her as their daughter. Millions of ordinary people, who are not even wealthy, have fostered children of total strangers in third world countries and give about a dollar a day for their education and upbringing.

Narcissists can be very generous, but never without an ulterior motive. They are generous when their display of generosity is noticed and elevates them in the eyes of others. Obama donated $20,000 to his racist and anti-Semitic church, but neglected his brother who could get some education and live a lot better if only he had one dollar per day.

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Get over it.
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Compare this to what the McCains did. They brought a child from Bangladesh with facial deformities - a little girl with no chance for a normal life – and with plastic surgery restored her beauty and adopted her as their daughter. Millions of ordinary people, who are not even wealthy, have fostered children of total strangers in third world countries and give about a dollar a day for their education and upbringing.


Actually, this should be attributed to Cindy, not John. Snopes affirmed that Cindy made the decision without consulting John first:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.asp

You also forgot to mention that John McCain divorced his first wife who had been disfigured in a car accident during his imprisonment. She had waited faithfully for him. However, she no longer looked like the beauty queen he had married, and he openly and flagrantly cheated on her, finally dumping her for Cindy.

You also forgot to mention that John McCain decried the gutter tactics of the Bush campaign in 2000, and then turned around and hired some of those same people to use the same tactics against Obama.

You also forgot to mention that McCain decried the religious right in 2000, saying

But political intolerance by any political party is neither a Judeo-Christian nor an American value. The political tactics of division and slander are not our values.

They are corrupting influences on religion and politics and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.


Entire speech here

This is the same man who turned around and sought out the endorsement of Hagee.

Sure sounds to me like someone who would do anything to get what he wants.
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The cause of the narcissist is himself. Everything else is a tool, a stepping stone for the narcissist to ascend to power. Narcissists don’t have any ideology. They champion the cause that has a better chance of making their ascent to power easier.

I stopped reading it right there, only because it starts off so out of touch with reality, there didn't seem much point going on.

All Obama talks about it "people coming together," "people taking responsibility," all inclusiveness, etc etc. That doesn't sound much like someone who is all in it for himself to me.

And if you agree that Obama doesn't have an ideology, you better not accuse him of being a Socialist or a Marxist.

It seems to me odd that anyone would want to follow Bush into the White House. Talk about a mess. Only a person who really cared for his/her country would want to try to fix it (and I give McCain the same props - although sometimes, when I look at how poorly he managed his campaign, I wonder if he realized this and unconsciously sabotaged his own chances). Quite frankly, Obama has a good chance to fail given the enormity of the job (as anyone would no matter who they are), and it certainly wouldn’t do his reputation or his continued mantle of power any favors.
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Richard

My father is 74 years of age. He is very conservative. He is not a fan of Obama. He said to me yesterday when I asked what he thought about the election "I will not complain about him for at least one year. I will give him a chance then we will see." I suggest you do the same. Give the man a chance. You seem a bit obsessed with trying to discredit him. Given the fact that you seem part of the evangelical religious right I am not surprised. But try to love your enemies and turn the other cheek man.
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