Analysis, Polemic and Speaking the Truth in an Age of Deciet

[_Tarski]

our sense of self worth, dignity and sense of value to both ourselves and the larger society with which we interact is only satisfied when we serve others to the best of our ability in a free market where the choices, or "votes" of others in the marketplace determine our relative level of temporal attainment.

and the votes are in: Donald Trump is worth more to society than Einstein and Newton put together. Ray Crock (and his legacy of supersized cokes and greesy fast food) is of more value to society than Francis Crick.

In other news, Steven King a better author than the last 10 Pulitzer prize winners and Britney Spears better singer than ......well you get the point.

Everyone voted with their pocket books and this is the final cosmic truth--the still point of the turning world.

Oh, and Mormon church of little importance!!!!

[_The Nehor]

Droopy, your argument falls apart when you realize you're basing the honor of a job based solely on how much wealth it gives you.

Neither I nor the author of the above essay has made or implied such a claim. I agree with her that, in a temporal or economic context, our sense of self worth, dignity and sense of value to both ourselves and the larger society with which we interact is only satisfied when we serve others to the best of our ability in a free market where the choices, or "votes" of others in the marketplace determine our relative level of temporal attainment.

In other words, Jesus failed as a preacher because not only was he not paid and valued by his society but they decided his contribution was so worthless they executed him. The free market at work!

Living at the expense of our neighbors, or our work being valued, not on its merits to those who value it, but according the the arbitrary whims of commissars and state supported ideological thoerists, debases and demeans the human spirit.

I don't think anyone is advocating for this.

I think this is verily true.

That the desire/love of money is the proof of value in society. My Bible says otherwise.

People enjoy excelling at hobbies with no income involved and worst of all by this standard the best Bishop or best master of prophecy won't enjoy their gift unless they get paid more then the person who gets nothing.

No kidding Sherlock

So you agree with my assessment that those who use spiritual gifts deserve monetary compensation?

Move along, nothing to see here...

Very clearly, discussing/debating these ideas and concepts with you is an utter and nerve wracking waste of my time (and probably yours).

Standard dismissal due to being unable to respond.

Fin

This is how pretentious liberal films end. Are you a double agent?

[_Brackite]

Is this a quote from Stephen Colbert?

You know, this could stand as the battle cry for those domestic terrorist teabaggers. They could shout it aloud on the 18th green.

I have noticed that Moksha hasn't been back on this Thread to defend this Ridiculous comment about "domestic terrorist" teabaggers. Why is that???

[_Droopy]

In other words, Jesus failed as a preacher because not only was he not paid and valued by his society but they decided his contribution was so worthless they executed him. The free market at work!

Yet another indication that you are not even willing to engage these issues substantively, or even stay focused on the points made with a modicum of intellectual rigor.

Loran:

Living at the expense of our neighbors, or our work being valued, not on its merits to those who value it, but according the the arbitrary whims of commissars and state supported ideological thoerists, debases and demeans the human spirit.

Nehor:

I don't think anyone is advocating for this.

This is the basis of the entire Left as it understands the moral and social basis of economics and how human beings should relate to each other economically through the mediation of the welfare state, a key concept of "the socialist ideal".

That the desire/love of money is the proof of value in society. My Bible says otherwise.

I'm afraid you've been reading you're Bible through the prism of Nibley again, and again, you're not even trying to follow the conceptual focus of my argument here. Our spirit is demeaned and debased when our work and efforts are valued, not upon their merits in freely chosen contractual relations, but upon arbitrary values chosen by others and imposed by coercive force.

So you agree with my assessment that those who use spiritual gifts deserve monetary compensation?

I have no - utterly no - idea where you have gotten the idea that I ever have or would ever disagree with such an idea. This is why I keep coming back to Nibley with you, because you display the same purely psychological/emotional animus to wealth/business/prosperity displayed by Nibley in his political writings and the same unwillingness to understand even the most rudimentary principles of economics and political economy, and I think its that psychological/emotional animus that makes it difficult for you to follow my arguments rationally.

Move along, nothing to see here...

Standard dismissal due to being unable to respond.

Pot calling alleged kettle black, it would seem. When you're capable of something other than stock and trade anti-capitalist bromides, boilerplate, and moral breast-beating in your arguments, let me know and we could then discuss any claimed inability to respond.

[_moksha]

Is this a quote from Stephen Colbert?

You know, this could stand as the battle cry for those domestic terrorist teabaggers. They could shout it aloud on the 18th green.

I have noticed that Moksha hasn't been back on this Thread to defend this Ridiculous comment about "domestic terrorist" teabaggers. Why is that???

I think only time will tell whether the Fox Advocacy Group is able to whip them into a more crazed frenzy. Whether or not they do shout revolutionary expletives on the eighteenth green or turn their words into actions remains to be seen. Mobs can easily turn ugly.

[_Droopy]

I think only time will tell whether the Fox Advocacy Group is able to whip them into a more crazed frenzy. Whether or not they do shout revolutionary expletives on the eighteenth green or turn their words into actions remains to be seen. Mobs can easily turn ugly.

Interesting then, isn't it, that historically, leftist mobs are virtually the only ones that ever do turn ugly. The tea party folks never have, up to this point, while SEIU and ACORN thugs provoke violence and intimidation at every opportunity and liberals such as yourself lebel a broad cross section of middle America exercising their unalienable right to peaceable assembly for redress of grievances terrorists and mobs.

The really evil thing about this kind of rhetoric is that it eviscerates both the meaning and impact of terms like "terrorist" to the point that such terms no longer make moral or conceptual sense or convey coherent moral, ethical or political meaning.

Average Americans marching, protesting, and carrying signs - things that when leftists do them and do them to the point of rioting, violence, and mass property destruction, are considered valiant acts of "resistance" are now labeled "terrorism" even though the 'resistance" on display is purely verbal and visual.

Moksha is as deeply threatened, frustrated and intellectually flummoxed by the tea party movement as the rest of the Left, which explains the histrionic and anti-intellectual reaction to it.

Show me anything remotely resembling the Days of Rage, or countless smaller rages from the sixties to the present among the Left among the Right and I'll show you the George Lucas remake of Legend of Boggy Creek.

For heaven's sake be serious Moksha.