Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

[_canpakes]

LOL...Again you ducked the real question, getting a little unsettled...but you did take a tiny step out of your troll talking point.

FOCUS....Hunter pretty much admitted in the ABC interview, which I also linked and you most likely ducked, that the only reason he got the position was becasue of his name...period. He was being used by a known criminal, who has since fled the country, and living in Monaco where offshore accounts are many, and who had very deep Russian ties..BECAUSE Hunter's father was the Vice President of the United States, and charged by Obama the negotiate the terms of US aid, and to Root out corruption.

So now you admit he got the job for his name..."Biden." Why? Maybe, just maybe, because his father was lead man on the aid given to the Ukraine?

But anyways...you admitted it was becasue of his name he got hired by a mobster with Russian ties. Given that if it was not for his ability, what do you think the mobster was after? Why do you think Archer was hired? Why was all this money...3 million plus given to Rosemont, give it was because of the Biden name?

So once again focus and answer the rest of the questions, or Troll away. Lets get through my back log of questions you have been ducking, so we can get to China.

And yes I did miss that post, please link me to it.

I absolutely believe that name recognition was the primary driver in his selection and have never maintained otherwise. But I also believe that Hunter Biden has other qualifications that proved useful to the position. That being the case, I also believe that you’re being disingenuous to suggest that Biden was ‘unqualified’, as you have repeatedly, or that his pay level in and of itself indicated that he was corrupt. I’ve called you out on those points as well as the original Trump question, and you’ve dodged all of them, because you can’t free-think those questions through off script.

And now you’re doing it here, as well. Tell me why being hired on name recognition indicates that the hired person is corrupt.

You’re not going to answer that question by stating the obvious (“The head of Burisma was corrupt!!1!”) or by restating accusations about other people.

FOCUS, if you will, on Hunter Biden.

[_Markk]

Nonsense...all you have been doing is trolling the same couple of questions, this last post is maybe your first attempt to back out of that style of posting that I can recall. I guess you final realized you are a troll. But this a good start even though you ducked most of my question.

I absolutely believe that name recognition was the primary driver in his selection and have never maintained otherwise.

CFR...you make it sound as if you have been pushing that point in this thread, or the other thread. If you did mention that, I missed it. Give me the link as I requested where you speak of this and expound on it being key to his getting the position.

canpakes wrote...But I also believe that Hunter Biden has other qualifications that proved useful to the position.

Great...expound on those. I brought up the fact several times that he did use his connections as lawyer to he secure a former Obama White House DoJ lawyer John Buretta.

...Among the Americans brought in by Hunter Biden’s American business partners to help fend off the investigations was Blue Star Strategies, a consulting firm run by Clinton administration veterans that had done substantial work in Ukraine.

A team from Blue Star, and an American lawyer Blue Star hired, John D. Buretta, who had served as a senior official in the Obama Justice Department, held two previously unreported meetings in Kiev, Ukraine’s capital, with Mr. Lutsenko, who took office in May 2016 after Mr. Shokin’s dismissal, according to people with direct knowledge of the meetings. Mr. Lutsenko denied attending the meeting.

...Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine appears to have been well compensated. Burisma paid $3.4 million to a company called Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC from mid-April 2014, when Hunter Biden and Mr. Archer joined the board, to late 2015, according to the financial data provided by the Ukrainian deputy prosecutor. The payments continued after that, according to people familiar with the arrangement.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/p ... raine.html

Question Canpakes, what are the other qualifications you believe he had...using your own words here " that proved useful to the position?" I am going to hold you to this question, and make sure you give examples and cf (links and sources names) for this.

That being the case, I also believe that you’re being disingenuous to suggest that Biden was ‘unqualified’, as you have repeatedly, or that his pay level in and of itself indicated that he was corrupt.

LOL...Back to trolling...that is flat out lie. I never said that his pay level of itself indicated he was corrupt...CFR. Over and over opining to your trolled questions, I have given a big part of a much bigger narrative (more to come) of why I, and others believe the Biden and their associates look dirty, and why in my opinion demands an investigation.

Again that is just a straw-man, and now you are simply lying about it now...shame on you...CFR.

I’ve called you out on those points as well as the original Trump question, and you’ve dodged all of them, because you can’t free-think those questions through off script.

Utter nonsense...CFR, all you have done is created a few straw-man questions, and then trolled them, Ironically self admitting you were doing that. Shall I go back and paste some of the many questions you have ducked, and questions and links you have avoided?

Again nothing but nonsense...

Here is another Question for you..."what is my script?" Given all the links, both in video and print form, the different irregularities I have presented..."what is my script?" In other words what re the evidences I have presented to you that might indicate enough concern to warrant and investigation of the Biden's and their associates?

And now you’re doing it here, as well. Tell me why being hired on name recognition indicates that the hired person is corrupt.

Again a straw-man and part of your lie.

In this case, Hunter's father was the the Vice President of the United states. He was the point man for the Obama administration to handle more than 2 billion dollars in aid to the Ukraine. Burisma, was and still is owned by a known corrupt criminal, that worked as a minister in two corrupt Russian influenced Ukrainian administrations as a minister, granting licenses for natural gas to Burisma, again his company. It is more than a fair fair question to ask why Hunter, a person with no experience in Natural Gas, no experience in the Ukarine or its business culture, who was just kicked out of the service for drug and alcohol issues...and was his company, in which all monies were wired to form Burisma received over 3 million dollars in compensation,(that we know of).

Rosemont is Hunters company, with partners Archer and Heinz ( Kerry's step son). They also benefits from all this. Archer met with Joe in the White House, after receiving 112K from Burisma through Hunter company...and them Both were hired by Burisma, and while Joe was finalizing the terms of aid to the natural gas industry of the Ukraine, while Burisma was one of two of the largest natural Gas producers in the Ukraine.

We will see how you answer my question above, but there is no verifiable documentation that Hunter did anything, other than help hire a defense team for Zlochevsky...

Hunter is not a Joe Lewis (promoted casinos for years just with his name), or other "stars" that are hired for past successes. Hunter was in a bad part of his life, and given who he worked for, and what his father was in charges of in the Ukraine...and by following the limited money trail we do have..All of this points to possible corruption and is worthy of an investigation.

Your straw-man is weak and is easily blown down. It is not the question of his name being used, but how and for what purpose it was used...which all indications are for his connection to his father and all that comes with that.

FOCUS, if you will, on Hunter Biden.

LOL.. I am...which included Rosemont (Hunters company), and his partners, and their connection to Joe and the White House. All this is part of the mix, and all part of the evidences that point to a warrant-able investigation. Are you somehow in denial of Archer and Joes connection in all this. Do you really believe that Archer would have had access to Joe Biden, at the White House, if it were not for Hunter?

Now you can troll cherry picked questions...or you can start to deal with all the facts that I have presented in a very understandable context...or you continue to be self admitted troll.

Thanks

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

All this hand wringing over Hunter Biden's name recognition and perceived unworthiness to capitalize off his father's connections, and I haven't seen this damned clown once complain about Trump's kids, or Trump's violation of the emoluments clause.



My damned Lord the hypocrisy of it all.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

All this hand wringing over Hunter Biden's name recognition and perceived unworthiness to capitalize off his father's connections, and I haven't seen this damned clown once complain about Trump's kids, or Trump's violation of the emoluments clause.



My damned Lord the hypocrisy of it all.

- Doc

Trumpists want to eat their cake and have it too. They want to be able to defend an obvious douche bag while criticizing the character of people they don't like, as though their criticisms have weight... as though they haven't completely screwed their reputation, exposing themselves as terrible judges of character, or just plain hypocrites.

Just how damned blind does one have to be to not see the problem here?

[_schreech]

LOL! - Ignorant, no self awareness (or even the ability reevaluate erroneous beliefs) AND a lack of any kind of critical thinking skills....the trumplican trifecta. r/confidentlyincorrect was created to mock people like markkk.

Markkk is everything I have come to expect from a blindly faithful, impotent trump sycophant. I also like how he can't point to a crime committed by the bidens but he is sure they are corrupt based, primarily, on his ignorance of how large corporations function and his unquestioning intake of right wing propaganda. LOL!

I also think its hilarious that he thinks the trump investigation/impeachment, based on an illegal quid pro quo, was a witch hunt all while suggesting that the bidens should be investigated for a completely above board "quid pro quo" and using family ties to secure a job (just like fox news tells these bottom rung dimwits to believe) - LOL!. Hypocrisy, a staple of right wing, religious nutters. oh and, LOL!

[_canpakes]

Nonsense...all you have been doing is trolling the same couple of questions,

The same simple questions directly related to your accusations, and the initial thread? That can’t be denied. What also can’t be denied is that you cannot bear to face those questions, because you only know what to repeat out of your flawed book, so you hide behind calling other people ‘trolls’ for asking those questions.

this last post is maybe your first attempt to back out of that style of posting that I can recall.

Oops. Sorry to have confused you with that. Nothing is changing; I’m still asking the questions that you’re too afraid to answer.

I guess you final realized you are a troll.

For asking you questions that you’re afraid to answer?

How delicate are you?

But this a good start even though you ducked most of my question.

Like, why did Burisma hire Biden? The question that I just answered again?

I absolutely believe that name recognition was the primary driver in his selection and have never maintained otherwise.

CFR...you make it sound as if you have been pushing that point in this thread, or the other thread. If you did mention that, I missed it. Give me the link as I requested where you speak of this and expound on it being key to his getting the position.

Markk, nice try, but you can go back through the last 30pages of the other thread and easily find and suss it out. Shouldn’t be too hard given that I have also asked you why being hired based to some degree on name recognition implies that a hiree is then corrupt. But, you’re afraid to answer that question, too.

In this thread, see my comment on page 3: “Biden's acceptance of the position with Burisma has terrible optics and smacks of opportunism”. But you can’t tell me why opportunism equates to corruption, either.

canpakes wrote...But I also believe that Hunter Biden has other qualifications that proved useful to the position.

Great...expound on those. I brought up the fact several times that he did use his connections as lawyer to he secure a former Obama White House DoJ lawyer John Buretta.

See above. What is it you’re looking for? Do you even know?

...Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine appears to have been well compensated. Burisma paid $3.4 million to a company called Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC from mid-April 2014, when Hunter Biden and Mr. Archer joined the board, to late 2015, according to the financial data provided by the Ukrainian deputy prosecutor. The payments continued after that, according to people familiar with the arrangement.

That’s nice. Show me what’s corrupt about that.

Question Canpakes, what are the other qualifications you believe he had...using your own words here " that proved useful to the position?" I am going to hold you to this question, and make sure you give examples and cf (links and sources names) for this.

Already have, in the previous thread, when I both linked to and posted his job experience as provided by Wiki. If you have a problem with any of that information, make your case.

That being the case, I also believe that you’re being disingenuous to suggest that Biden was ‘unqualified’, as you have repeatedly, or that his pay level in and of itself indicated that he was corrupt.

LOL...Back to trolling...that is flat out lie. I never said that his pay level of itself indicated he was corrupt...CFR.

Then why do you keep bitching about him being overpaid? You’ve done that over and over. You obviously want to imply that being overpaid implies corruption. I’ve asked you to show how that works, too ... but you keep dodging that question as well. : D

Over and over opining to your trolled questions, I have given a big part of a much bigger narrative (more to come) of why I, and others believe the Biden and their associates look dirty, and why in my opinion demands an investigation.

So answer any of the questions that I’ve asked above, or the one from my immediately prior post. What did Hunter Biden do that was corrupt?

Again that is just a straw-man, and now you are simply lying about it now...shame on you...CFR.

Aren’t you claiming that Hunter Biden is corrupt? And now you’re telling me that asking ‘why’ is a straw man. I don’t think that you understand what a straw man is.

I’ve called you out on those points as well as the original Trump question, and you’ve dodged all of them, because you can’t free-think those questions through off script.

Utter nonsense...CFR, all you have done is created a few straw-man questions, and then trolled them, Ironically self admitting you were doing that. Shall I go back and paste some of the many questions you have ducked, and questions and links you have avoided?

If that’s what you need to do to dodge answering actual questions, then you’re free to do so. Fair warning; I’ll probably ask you to clarify any stupid shiite that you end up posting, so get ready to run from those future questions.

Again nothing but nonsense...

... is pretty much your behavior here.

Here is another Question for you..."what is my script?" Given all the links, both in video and print form, the different irregularities I have presented..."what is my script?"

Your script is whatever you find slanted to your pre-determined partisan desire.

In other words what re the evidences I have presented to you that might indicate enough concern to warrant and investigation of the Biden's and their associates?

That’s what I’m waiting for. What are the facts of Hunter Biden’s corruption? If only someone would tell us.

And now you’re doing it here, as well. Tell me why being hired on name recognition indicates that the hired person is corrupt.

Again a straw-man and part of your lie.

So answer it, already.

In this case, Hunter's father was the the Vice President of the United states. He was the point man for the Obama administration to handle more than 2 billion dollars in aid to the Ukraine. Burisma, was and still is owned by a known corrupt criminal, that worked as a minister in two corrupt Russian influenced Ukrainian administrations as a minister, granting licenses for natural gas to Burisma, again his company. It is more than a fair fair question to ask why Hunter, a person with no experience in Natural Gas, no experience in the Ukarine or its business culture, who was just kicked out of the service for drug and alcohol issues...and was his company, in which all monies were wired to form Burisma received over 3 million dollars in compensation,(that we know of).

OK. So show me what Hunter did here that was corrupt.

Rosemont is Hunters company, with partners Archer and Heinz ( Kerry's step son). They also benefits from all this. Archer met with Joe in the White House, after receiving 112K from Burisma through Hunter company...and them Both were hired by Burisma, and while Joe was finalizing the terms of aid to the natural gas industry of the Ukraine, while Burisma was one of two of the largest natural Gas producers in the Ukraine.

Waiting to see what Hunter did that was corrupt ...

We will see how you answer my question above, but there is no verifiable documentation that Hunter did anything, other than help hire a defense team for Zlochevsky...

Was that corruption? Or are you OK with that? : D

Hunter is not a Joe Lewis (promoted casinos for years just with his name), or other "stars" that are hired for past successes. Hunter was in a bad part of his life, and given who he worked for, and what his father was in charges of in the Ukraine...and by following the limited money trail we do have..All of this points to possible corruption and is worthy of an investigation.

OK. Standing by for the corruption. Any day, now.

Your straw-man is weak and is easily blown down. It is not the question of his name being used, but how and for what purpose it was used...which all indications are for his connection to his father and all that comes with that.

OK, although this paragraph asserts that “it’s not the question of his name being used”, but you’ve been bitching about that in this very post. Can you make up your mind on this, at least?

FOCUS, if you will, on Hunter Biden.

LOL.. I am...which included Rosemont (Hunters company), and his partners, and their connection to Joe and the White House. All this is part of the mix, and all part of the evidences that point to a warrant-able investigation. Are you somehow in denial of Archer and Joes connection in all this. Do you really believe that Archer would have had access to Joe Biden, at the White House, if it were not for Hunter?

I’ll just stand by, and wait for the corruption evidence you’re going to post next.

Now you can troll cherry picked questions...or you can start to deal with all the facts that I have presented in a very understandable context...or you continue to be self admitted troll.

You forgot to post the corruption evidence.

Thanks

Hey, you’re welcome.

So, why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate any of this?

[_Some Schmo]

canpakes, you're very entertaining. I have to believe you put this much effort into your posts to self-amuse, and not out of any notion Markk might actually read what you're saying.

I'm only commenting because I often think, why does he put in so much effort into this project? He has to know it's useless.

I guess I'm coming to the conclusion you're consciously doing it for yourself, and maybe a little for people like me, so we can all say WTF together.

[_schreech]

canpakes, you're very entertaining. I have to believe you put this much effort into your posts to self-amuse, and not out of any notion Markk might actually read what you're saying.

I'm only commenting because I often think, why does he put in so much effort into this project? He has to know it's useless.

I guess I'm coming to the conclusion you're consciously doing it for yourself, and maybe a little for people like me, so we can all say WTF together.

Agreed - I continue to be entertained at markkks expense :).

[_canpakes]

I guess I'm coming to the conclusion you're consciously doing it for yourself, and maybe a little for people like me, so we can all say WTF together.

Hey, I’m just here to learn, and have fun. : )

But, yes - I do think that bad arguments need to be knocked around a bit, until they either reform, or GTFO. The last part of your sentence above definitely applies.

[_Some Schmo]

I guess I'm coming to the conclusion you're consciously doing it for yourself, and maybe a little for people like me, so we can all say WTF together.

Hey, I’m just here to learn, and have fun. : )

But, yes - I do think that bad arguments need to be knocked around a bit, until they either reform, or GTFO. The last part of your sentence above definitely applies.

I'm actually glad to have written that, because reading it back a couple hours later, I realize I have been wrong all along. It isn't completely useless, except to Markk.