Remember the National Debt?

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Re: Remember the National Debt?

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:29 pm
I agree that Ajax is creating his own unhappiness. But he doesn't deserve that. No one does. I feel no joy when his unhappiness shows in his posting. I mostly feel bad for him.
You have a good heart, Res.

I don't wish unhappiness on ajax. I can't say for absolute sure he is unhappy. We're only judging what he writes here, after all.

When I say he deserves his unhappiness, all I'm saying is that it seems like he's been going for it, and lo and behold, he found it. Success!

I've said this before: there's a tiny voice inside me that feels like ajax is redeemable. I've never really been able to justify that feeling rationally, but it's the reason I continue to respond to his posts. There are other posters I have long since had no problem ignoring.
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Re: Remember the National Debt?

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:16 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:29 pm
I agree that Ajax is creating his own unhappiness. But he doesn't deserve that. No one does. I feel no joy when his unhappiness shows in his posting. I mostly feel bad for him.
You have a good heart, Res.

I don't wish unhappiness on ajax. I can't say for absolute sure he is unhappy. We're only judging what he writes here, after all.

When I say he deserves his unhappiness, all I'm saying is that it seems like he's been going for it, and lo and behold, he found it. Success!

I've said this before: there's a tiny voice inside me that feels like ajax is redeemable. I've never really been able to justify that feeling rationally, but it's the reason I continue to respond to his posts. There are other posters I have long since had no problem ignoring.
I don’t know about good heart. But those are conclusions my brain drives me to. Ajax may be a completely different person playing a role on a message board. If that’s true, he’s damn good. Fooled me completely.

I try to take folks as they present themselves here absent some good reason not to. And taking Ajax at face value, he strikes me as deeply unhappy. Happy people just don’t resent others. I feel like I’ve met more people than I can count, and Ajax reminds me of some of them. Deeply unhappy, and clinging to that unhappiness as hard as they can, blaming that unhappiness on others. Trapped in a prison of their own making. Why can’t they see what they are doing to themselves? I guess if I knew I’d be a self-help guru.
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Re: Remember the National Debt?

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Remember when Republicans said it was immoral to pass a crushing federal debt to our kids?

https://apnews.com/article/financial-ma ... 76aad7c1db

We’re already seeing the quick devaluation of the dollar reflected in rapid inflation of consumer goods. That’s because the debt is ballooning and tax revenues not sufficient to reasonably service the debt.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:09 am
And taking Ajax at face value, he strikes me as deeply unhappy. Happy people just don’t resent others. I feel like I’ve met more people than I can count, and Ajax reminds me of some of them. Deeply unhappy, and clinging to that unhappiness as hard as they can, blaming that unhappiness on others. Trapped in a prison of their own making. Why can’t they see what they are doing to themselves? I guess if I knew I’d be a self-help guru.
I think it's important to point out that he's likely unhappy, and that the things he posts on this board are a kind of post hoc explanation for his unhappiness. They have to be, since he's never really shown a deep relationship with or understanding of reality.

So it goes something like:

I'm unhappy with my income. I'd have more if I didn't have to pay taxes. Why do I have to pay taxes? Colored people sucking off the gov't teat.

It's convenient and thoughtless.

He doesn't even consider for a moment the part he or his employer play in his financial situation, nor does he consider his own family. He jumps straight to his preferred demonized groups which have little to nothing to do with his personal problems. This is what makes him perpetually unhappy, the misidentification from where his problems originate. He can't solve them because he refuses to look at what's really causing them. Apparently, confronting his problems is more painful than perpetually tolerating low-grade despair.

I see Trump the same way, and suspect a lot of his support comes from people dallying in the same predicament.
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Re: Remember the National Debt?

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A little known fact about Obama in 2009. The real deficit was kept hidden because Bush had kept so much military war spending "off the books." Obama fixed that.

Feb 19, 2009
Obama Bans Gimmicks, and Deficit Will Rise

WASHINGTON — For his first annual budget next week, President Obama has banned four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller. The price of more honest bookkeeping: A budget that is $2.7 trillion deeper in the red over the next decade than it would otherwise appear, according to administration officials.

The new accounting involves spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Medicare reimbursements to physicians and the cost of disaster responses.

But the biggest adjustment will deal with revenues from the alternative minimum tax, a parallel tax system enacted in 1969 to prevent the wealthy from using tax shelters to avoid paying any income tax.

Even with bigger deficit projections, the Obama administration will put the country on “a sustainable fiscal course” by the end of Mr. Obama’s term, Peter R. Orszag, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, said Thursday in an interview. Mr. Orszag did not provide details of how the administration would reduce a deficit expected to reach at least $1.5 trillion this year.

Mr. Obama’s banishment of the gimmicks, which have been widely criticized, is in keeping with his promise to run a more transparent government.

Fiscal sleight of hand has long been a staple of federal budgets, giving rise to phrases like “rosy scenario” and “magic asterisks.”

The $2.7 trillion in additional deficit spending, Mr. Orszag said, is “a huge amount of money that would just be kind of a magic asterisk in previous budgets.”

“The president prefers to tell the truth,” he said, “rather than make the numbers look better by pretending.”

Recent presidents and Congresses were complicit in the ploy involving the alternative minimum tax. While that tax was intended to hit the wealthiest taxpayers, it was not indexed for inflation. That fact and the tax breaks of the Bush years have meant that it could affect millions of middle-class taxpayers.

If they paid it, the government would get billions of dollars more in tax revenues, which is what past budgets have projected. But it would also probably mean a taxpayer revolt. So each year the White House and Congress agree to “patch” the alternative tax for inflation, and the extra revenues never materialize.

Nearly $70 billion of the just-enacted $787 billion economic recovery plan reflected the bookkeeping cost of adjusting the alternative tax for a year.

The White House budget office calculates that over the next decade, the tax would add $1.2 trillion in revenues. But Mr. Obama is not counting those revenues, and he is adding $218 billion to the 10-year deficit projections to reflect the added interest the government would pay for its extra debt.

As for war costs, Mr. Bush included little or none in his annual military budgets, instead routinely asking Congress for supplemental appropriations during the year. Mr. Obama will include cost projections for every year through the 2019 fiscal year to cover “overseas military contingencies” — nearly $500 billion over 10 years.

For Medicare, Mr. Bush routinely budgeted less than actual costs for payments to physicians, although he and Congress regularly waived a law mandating the lower reimbursements for fear that doctors would quit serving beneficiaries in protest.

Mr. Obama will budget $401 billion over 10 years for higher costs and interest on the debt.

He will also budget $273 billion in that period for natural disasters. Every year the government pays billions for disaster relief, but presidents and lawmakers have long ignored budget reformers’ calls for a contingency account to reflect that certainty.
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