The Real Reason why Trump won

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Veritas wrote...Presidents oversee and approve of military action, but that is about it. The actual strategies and battles are planned and conducted by higher military officials.
Which is what I said. Biden or who ever is pulling his strings approved removing the restriction. Are you implying that our military is providing the Ukraine with the actual strategies'?
We were also in a proxy war with Russia and defeated them decisively when we provided the Afghans with military support. I seem to remember how that turned out. Do you?
I do. How we, China, SA, and other countries provide support to the Taliban. Who later kicked our butt while Russia supported them in what has been termed "Obamas War," and Biden gave the Taliban 5 or 6 billion dollars worth of military equipment, which the parade proudly.
Back then, we tried to hide the fact that we were supporting the Afghans because we were afraid of WWIII. But that turned out to be a bogus fear, and the fact that we're supporting Ukraine is right there out in the open. It is common knowledge so what's the point of trying to pretend like we aren't hurting Russia? If Trump were President and doing the same thing, you folks would be applauding him as the new Reagan.
That is a dangerous approach and philosophy. As far as hiding it because we were afraid of WW3 CFR. I remember our involvement, like our boycotting the Olympics.

Again equating that with the current war in the Ukraine, is in my opinion dangerous.
I think it is silly to suggest Biden's strategy in Ukraine has anything to do with trying to hurt Trump's feelings.
The F-U to Trump, it it is indeed that, would be making his transition more difficult. It is nothing about hurting feelings. It is no longer Bidens War but Trump's, he has to deal with the mess now. Hopefully he can help end it, I hope you agree.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:44 pm
Trump is a transactional figure who only cares about what's best for Trump.
Really?
Yes.
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Veritas wrote...Name me literally one thing Trump could campaign on that wasn't some silly culture war issue?
Right or wrong....10 solid Campaign ideals. Which of these are silly?

1.Crime and a lost support for law enforcement.
2. The Border issues
a. who is coming over, and how
b. drugs, which are killing scores of Americans every day.
c. Human trafficking
3. Trade
4. Fossil fuel and oil production/jobs and lower prices at the pump
5. Women's right is sports
6. Keeping us out of wars
7. Bring back and strengthen Manufacturing
8. Reduce Government waste
9. Reduce inflation
10. Cyber security
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Markk, your list is delusional.
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Markk wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:25 pm
Veritas wrote...Name me literally one thing Trump could campaign on that wasn't some silly culture war issue?
Right or wrong....10 solid Campaign ideals. Which of these are silly?

1.Crime and a lost support for law enforcement.
2. The Border issues
a. who is coming over, and how
b. drugs, which are killing scores of Americans every day.
c. Human trafficking
3. Trade
4. Fossil fuel and oil production/jobs and lower prices at the pump
5. Women's right is sports
6. Keeping us out of wars
7. Bring back and strengthen Manufacturing
8. Reduce Government waste
9. Reduce inflation
10. Cyber security
Markk, I’m excited about the New Trump Administration and how it will solve all of these problems after it figures out how to disappear all of those nasty immigrants and transgender folks. But I have some questions, in blue. Feel free to throw in your thoughts on these:

1.Crime and a lost support for law enforcement. - How will Trump change crime statistics? Is he doing this by continuing to nominate so many convicted folks to cabinet positions, to get them off the street?

2. The Border issues
a. who is coming over, and how - Pretty sure they’re coming over by crossing the border. How long will the new Administration need to determine that answer?
b. drugs, which are killing scores of Americans every day. - How will Trump stop addicts from using fentanyl? Will we just kill them like they do in other countries?
c. Human trafficking - Can you define the scope of this issue in realistic terms and how it affects Americans? More importantly, can this be monetized by a Trump family member, like trading cards, nonexistent $100K fancy watches, cryptocurrency and cheaply-made activewear?

3. Trade - Will this improve by placing tariffs on everything Americans buy? Will invading Mexico help?

4. Fossil fuel and oil production/jobs and lower prices at the pump - During Biden’s time in office, we’ve have been producing oil at record levels not achieved during Trump’s previous presidency. Will we just force oil companies to reduce prices by converting the domestic industry to state ownership? And will the proposed 25% tariff on Canadian crude oil also make our prices go down? Can Trump ‘mean tweet’ at the oil derricks to squeeze out more oil?

5. Women's right (in) sports - Isn’t this a ‘culture war’ issue? Would the concern only be for the 100 or so transgender athletes that compete in women’s sports, or will we also look at sexual abuse of women’s athletes by coaches/trainers and others, or is that not as important?

6. Keeping us out of wars - Does that include having to scrap plans to possibly invade Mexico? Does this mean that we should drop out of NATO and ignore Chinese aggression towards Taiwan, which makes 40% of the chips we use? Will he ‘mean tweet’ Putin when Russia kills another few million Ukrainians? (Good thing that Dom Biden the International Crime Lord got that CHIPS Act up and running ...)

7. Bring back and strengthen Manufacturing - Trump didn’t do much of that the first time around, and was outpaced by the Biden Administration on that task. How will Trump do it this time? Will he ‘mean tweet’ at Levi’s and Apple?

8. Reduce Government waste - Will we do that by creating a new agency (DoGE) to reduce the number of agencies? Can we eliminate silly things like the DoE, which helps to support disabled kids, so that we can redirect monies to Tesla, to support a lonely billionaire?

9. Reduce inflation - Ohh, THE BIG ONE. How will this happen? Will the tariffs do this? Wil Trump ‘mean tweet’ high prices into submission?

10. Cyber security - Will we do this by refusing to let the FBI or anyone else vet the new cabinet? And by Trump spending all day browsing Truth Social on his totally unsecure iPhone? Putin wanted to team up with Trump last time around on a joint effort to ‘improve’ cybersecurity. We can totally trust that guy, right? Trump does.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:00 pm
Markk, your list is delusional.
Be careful; he will ask you to write a treatise and divulge personal information.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:00 pm
Markk, your list is delusional.
Are you telling me these are not important issues. Well, how so?.

As a example, scores of people a day are dying, and becoming addicts, every day because of illegal drugs coming over the border.....and in your mind it is delusional for Trump to make that a campaign issue to clean it up? Or do you think illegal drugs coming over the borders is just culture war garble?
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Markk wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:07 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:00 pm
Markk, your list is delusional.
Are you telling me these are not important issues. Well, how so?.

As a example, scores of people a day are dying, and becoming addicts, every day because of illegal drugs coming over the border.....and in your mind it is delusional for Trump to make that a campaign issue to clean it up? Or do you think illegal drugs coming over the borders is just culture war garble?
Wait, are Republicans going to reverse course on their plans to cut funding for opioid addiction and recovery resources?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... -proposal/
...(T)he Biden-Harris Administration has invested more funding and broken more barriers to treatment than any previous administration. That includes signing the bipartisan law that expanded the number of health care providers who can prescribe life-saving treatment for opioid use disorder by more than 1.8 million. And it includes fighting for the toughest, fairest bipartisan border security legislation in modern history to help strengthen our ability to stop fentanyl trafficking at the border.

In contrast, about 80% of House Republicans recently proposed a budget that would cut critical investments in families and communities by over 30 percent. That would include slashing funding for State Opioid Response Grants – the primary way the federal government helps states and territories fight the opioid epidemic. At a time when more than 27 million Americans had a drug use disorder in 2022, and when we are losing one American to drug overdose every five minutes, House Republicans are proposing to rip away life-saving treatment for opioid use disorder. These cuts are on top of the $4.5 trillion they want to cut from Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act, which would throw millions off their coverage and cut services for many more, including people who depend on these programs for mental health and substance use disorder care.
Maybe we can just rely on Kash Patel to personally bitch slap addicts in the face until they’re no longer addicted? That border wall thing doesn’t seem to be helping; the hordes of Mexican Child Drug Mules continues to be able to squeeze the tiny fentanyl pills through the huge spaces between the ‘wall’ posts.
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canpakes wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:07 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:25 pm
So, you left out the MMA picture, the allusion to the Trump campaign's push toward masculinity, having Dana White prominently at the rallies and going on Joe Rogan and other podcasts males like. What do you think of that? In a close election, that could have had a big impact and I think it did.
It’s amazing that this is even a talking point. We defeated the Axis powers in WWII under the leadership of a man in a wheelchair.

If we, as a nation, need to believe that ‘masculinity’ is a requirement for leadership, and then believe that a soft, pale, sexual abuser who relies on orange makeup is our symbol of masculinity because he bullies people on social media media, then we are truly a nation headed into the real-life example of Idiocracy.
Believe it or not, deny what happened, but the appeal to masculinity worked.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:03 am
canpakes wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:07 pm


It’s amazing that this is even a talking point. We defeated the Axis powers in WWII under the leadership of a man in a wheelchair.

If we, as a nation, need to believe that ‘masculinity’ is a requirement for leadership, and then believe that a soft, pale, sexual abuser who relies on orange makeup is our symbol of masculinity because he bullies people on social media media, then we are truly a nation headed into the real-life example of Idiocracy.
Believe it or not, deny what happened, but the appeal to masculinity worked.
Based on what evidence?

Is there exit polling data suggesting this?

Correlation doesn't equal causation.
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