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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:44 pm
Perhaps the democrats need to throw off the mega donors and return to being the party of the people to counter the populism on the right.
Elon Musk’s donations alone to Trump’s campaign, via Musk’s superpac, exceeded the total amount of all small donor contributions received by the campaign.

Kamala’s small donor total was four times greater than Trump’s.

Can you explain what you mean by your statement?

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... all-donors
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[...] Kamala did not perform as well with black voters in comparison to Biden, which enabled Trump to increase his support within the black community.[...]
While black evangelicalism tends to focus heavily on the social justice aspects of Jesus and his teachings around the marginalized, and less on the authoritarian aspects that white evangelicalism tends to focus on, many (even most?) black Americans are generally very conservative. Republicans could absolutely steamroll Democrats if they could stop being a welcoming home for racists for more than a few months. Then again, not being a welcoming home for racists is the reason Democrats haven't had the majority of the white vote since the Voting Rights Act. So, it'd be a bit of a gamble of whether white Americans would still stick with the Republican party if their racism wasn't continuously coddled, and provided ready scapegoats for their rage porn addiction.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:01 am
Canpakes wrote:Are you implying that Republicans are angry that their party has been co-opted by a tech billionaire?
A tech billionaire who wouldn't be nearly as much of the billionaire he is without government subsidies.

Uneducated illegal immigrants seem to be much more productive than native born American public school educated high school and college graduates.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Uneducated illegal immigrants seem to be much more productive than native born American public school educated high school and college graduates.
imagine that; folks who grew up without an i-phone and three tvs figured out how to work.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 5:13 am
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:44 pm
Perhaps the democrats need to throw off the mega donors and return to being the party of the people to counter the populism on the right.
Elon Musk’s donations alone to Trump’s campaign, via Musk’s superpac, exceeded the total amount of all small donor contributions received by the campaign.

Kamala’s small donor total was four times greater than Trump’s.

Can you explain what you mean by your statement?

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... all-donors
Since Clinton and his "third way" where he embraced Wall Street donors ruined the democrats, turning them into republicans. The democrats have been in the pocket of Wall Street ever since. Sure, there is a problem with Musk and Trump should be highly scrutinized for that and his worship of Israel, but the democrats need to stop sucking Wall Street .... and go back to supporting the common man a la Henry A. Wallace, Roosevelt's V.P.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:16 am
canpakes wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 5:13 am


Elon Musk’s donations alone to Trump’s campaign, via Musk’s superpac, exceeded the total amount of all small donor contributions received by the campaign.

Kamala’s small donor total was four times greater than Trump’s.

Can you explain what you mean by your statement?

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... all-donors
Since Clinton and his "third way" where he embraced Wall Street donors ruined the democrats, turning them into republicans. The democrats have been in the pocket of Wall Street ever since. Sure, there is a problem with Musk and Trump should be highly scrutinized for that and his worship of Israel, but the democrats need to stop sucking Wall Street .... and go back to supporting the common man a la Henry A. Wallace, Roosevelt's V.P.
Seems like the party can combine both. Retain the higher level of small donors (as they did in this election) while selectively welcoming ‘megadonors’.

The occasional Mark Cuban need not be rejected out of a misguided notion that wealthier people cannot be politically aligned with a Democratic Party platform.
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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 am
Gadianton wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:01 am


A tech billionaire who wouldn't be nearly as much of the billionaire he is without government subsidies.

Uneducated illegal immigrants seem to be much more productive than native born American public school educated high school and college graduates.
This works well with your desire to see the DoE be dismantled.

Who would’ve thought that the Republican Party’s contemporary vision of American Exceptionalism includes the idea that illegal immigrants are vastly more productive than native-born Americans, with the solution being to boot the illegals, and work on making the remaining legal residents stupider, on the intent of boosting productivity by making Americans more desperate for any kind of work or wages.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:35 am
ajax18 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 am



Uneducated illegal immigrants seem to be much more productive than native born American public school educated high school and college graduates.
This works well with your desire to see the DoE be dismantled.

Who would’ve thought that the Republican Party’s contemporary vision of American Exceptionalism includes the idea that illegal immigrants are vastly more productive than native-born Americans, with the solution being to boot the illegals, and work on making the remaining legal residents stupider, on the intent of boosting productivity by making Americans more desperate for any kind of work or wages.
No more welfare as long as long as illegals are picking the peaches.
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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:45 am
canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:35 am


This works well with your desire to see the DoE be dismantled.

Who would’ve thought that the Republican Party’s contemporary vision of American Exceptionalism includes the idea that illegal immigrants are vastly more productive than native-born Americans, with the solution being to boot the illegals, and work on making the remaining legal residents stupider, on the intent of boosting productivity by making Americans more desperate for any kind of work or wages.
No more welfare as long as long as illegals are picking the peaches.
You must think that we live in some other country. : )

The actual result will be much closer to no more peaches.

No worries; Walmart will just import peaches from elsewhere while charging you three times as much for them.
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I think there needs to be a rethinking of how the democrats view and push ideas about how racial groups vote. Racism isn't as bad as the democrats want everyone to believe. I have many hispanic friends that voted for Trump for the same reasons that other Maga supporters did. They definitely don't like the hyper focus on sexual issues that the democrats pushed and they want a strong economy. Trump with his push toward masculine themes like going to the MMA fights and appearing on Joe Rogan and like podcasts is something perhaps the democrats should look into.

Then there are the populist issues like being antiwar and focusing on the United States instead of the rest of the world. I think people see the uniparty aspects to our foreign policy and disagree with it. There seems to be a continuing corruption in how we conduct these endless wars, laundering tax dollars through these wars and into the pockets of the donor class.

Perhaps the democrats need to throw off the mega donors and return to being the party of the people to counter the populism on the right. They also need to stop with the name-calling and the censorship. That just turns people off. People want to see what they are prohibited from seeing and so the prohibited becomes popular. Perhaps tackle the perceived bad maga terrorist speech with corrective speech? Stop with the exaggerations and finger-pointing and self-righteousness.
I perceive the Democratic Party as being constrained by the absurd notions that the progressive movement has compelled the rest of the party to adhere to, or else face ridicule. We cannot create a truly inclusive party while adhering to the extreme left ideology that was dismissed in this election, which ultimately led to Trump's victory! It's quite straightforward what Trump did to secure the election victory. He recognized that Democrats, influenced by the extreme principles of the far left, have been attempting to make the majority of Americans feel guilty for various reasons.

The far left perceives white men as overly masculine and seeks to redefine the concept of masculinity. Trump makes appearances at various UFC fights, entering the arena to enthusiastic applause as the crowd chants USA. What elements did we possess that could attract potential voters with a masculine appeal? We had a commercial featuring an overweight man claiming he eats carburetors for breakfast, and we also showcased Tim Walz having difficulty loading a shotgun.

Moreover, the progressive faction of the Democratic Party has stripped away the joy from how individuals ought to perceive life in America. For instance, on either MSNBC or CNN, I recall watching several female hosts discuss how they communicate with their very young daughters about the implications of a Trump election, particularly regarding the potential inability to terminate a pregnancy if it occurs. Are progressives discussing this with their daughters? I sincerely hope that is not the case. On the Republican side, there are numerous memes and videos featuring Republican women smiling and laughing as they mock Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj, Jennifer Lopez, and various other celebrities who are attempting to persuade women to vote for Kamala.

It is important to understand that celebrities and traditional legacy media no longer have influence over young Americans. Young Americans aspire to find happiness, smile, own a home, and achieve success without accumulating debt after completing college. Three decades ago, my party recognized this reality, but permitting progressives to dictate the agenda and leveraging traditional media for that purpose has led to a sense of skepticism among young Americans towards conventional media and celebrities. First, we must categorize the progressive movement as far left, identifying it as a fringe movement within our party. Next, focus on creating a party that embraces everyone, moving away from an emphasis on gender and skin color. We must move away from the notion of equity over equality that many Americans are beginning to push back against.

If Democrats are perceived as opposing the construction of the wall, we risk losing in 2026. Trump saw a 13% increase in his Hispanic support this election compared to 2020, despite Democrats attempting to label him as a racist for his desire to build the wall. If they confront him on the wall, it will bolster his support among Hispanics. We are very close to losing the majority vote we have among Hispanics. In this election, Kamala secured just 53% of the Hispanic vote. If Trump can assist the next Republican candidate in securing just 5% more of the Hispanic vote in 2028, we face a troubling future for years ahead.

I'm weary of the constant calls for our own version of Joe Rogan or Elon Musk, especially considering that both of them were once democrats! We are overlooking the reality that we are losing highly influential individuals because we have permitted the progressives to vilify anyone who critiques their extreme agenda, including members of the Democratic Party! We currently face a situation where MSNBC may be sold due to low ratings, and CNN is also experiencing difficulties, leaving us significantly behind conservatives, even in terms of influence via independent media. Allowing progressives to take control of independent media, rather than supporting mainstream Democrats who prioritize common sense, could result in a significant loss of influence for many years ahead. We must come to our senses and understand that the future of influence does not lie with legacy media, and the future of the Democratic Party cannot be guided by progressives in any way.
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