Trump makes (who?) great again - thanks Donald!

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Worldwide gratitude to Trump the nation-builder - but which nation?

This article puts into words something that has been bothering me for some time. Surely there must be something for which one should be grateful to President Trump? Well, as this article makes clear, it seems that there is. But maybe it is not quite what Trump supporters think it is:

Donald Trump: the president making anywhere but America great again
Marina Hyde, 18 March 2025

The US stock market is spooked and his henchmogul’s companies are floundering. Has the great dealmaker been building up … the wrong nation?

Naturally I assumed the feeling would pass, but one whole week after the US president turned the lawn of the White House into a crappy car dealership, I keep finding myself feeling … optimistic. I know, I know. But if anything, I find myself feeling a little bit more optimistic every day – and sometimes a lot more. Not for America, which keeps electing him, but for the rest of the world. It really would take a heart of stone for governments from Beijing to Delhi to Warsaw to look at the clip of this old guy trying to sell his friend’s electric cars and not think: “Ooooooooh, that is very, very bad vibes. Still, it’s good for us!”

In China they have ironically nicknamed Trump “the nation builder”, meaning he is doing an incredible, bigly impressive job of bolstering the Chinese nation. Not to be disrespectful to that ancient golf bore holding the little piece of paper listing his car salesman talking points and gibbering “everything is computer”… but can this guy even organise an oligarchy? He’s certainly making his precious stock market run, stricken, in the direction of the nearest bathroom.


As for Trump’s genius henchmogul Elon Musk, Tesla’s share price has halved over the past three months, with the FT reporting today that hedge fund short sellers have made $16.2bn betting against it. Last week a JP Morgan note attempted to contextualise their grimly downgraded outlook for the firm: “We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly.” Listen, I’ll take their expert word for it. But I feel like even I can think of something similar in the history of the social media industry. Last year the entrepreneur and professor Scott Galloway observed of X since Musk’s purchase of it: “No company over $1bn in revenue has ever lost 60% of its revenues in a 12 month period in a non-war period. I don’t think that’s ever happened. Twitter is literally the worst-performing business in history since a change in ownership.”

Admittedly, as is now clear, X was a political project for Musk, so perhaps that was a strategic haemorrhaging of value. It certainly bought him a keyboard army, albeit one that doesn’t appear to have a whole lot better to do all day than suck anonymously up to him. Indeed, for having the temerity to post this article on X, I expect a number of rape and death threats from Maga folk who are now, like some cowboy-booted modern take on the poor East Germans, being told to buy one type of car. Even worse, it’s one of the electric type, that until very recently they were formally required to dismiss as soyboymobiles. So look, I understand: mandated ideological 180s are very upsetting. And in any case, I always threaten to rape and kill people when I’m winning an argument.


In the weeks after the Trump administration got under way, the pace at which it was smashing, cutting, or walking away from things at first seemed discombobulating, frightening – even tragic. And it remains so for many Americans. But here outside the US, the alternative view is that it has saved many years, potentially decades, of the various factions of the rest of the world dithering away while thinking “Maybe we should get it together? Then again, how would we get it together? We should probably get it together … ” Thanks to the Nation Builder™, everyone is simply having to get it together, and fast. Defence is obviously the toughest issue, and suggesting otherwise is a level of facetiousness to which even this column couldn’t aspire. But it’s not undoable, mainly because it can’t be. Meanwhile, stripping out the various moral dimensions, where is the money really going to flow? Towards countries like the one building factories where they make batteries that can charge a car in five minutes (sorry, Elon) and are so big you have to fly over them – or the one where the leader turned the seat of power into a garage forecourt?

Sometimes you don’t need to be steeped in every economic and geopolitical detail to get a macrotrends gut feeling. Let’s face it, all that the White House lawn spectacle lacked was one of those flailing inflatable tube men that entice/terrify potential customers. And I felt something similar again yesterday, watching the White House press secretary reveal herself as one of those countless modern idiots who have only heard of one war in history (the second world one) – and who don’t even understand that. Yesterday, Karoline Leavitt could be found declaring: “It’s only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now.” Bless! Taking a slightly longer look into history, I think America owed France a favour before it was the other way around. But getting lost in these stoopid yesteryear arguments is not really something winners do, is it? Anyone speaking at the superpower podium should at least give the impression of having bigger fish to fry.

On a local level, I’ve no idea whether the UK will be one of the nations Trump accidentally ends up building. On recent form, and with our proven propensity for taking dumb decisions and electing limited or actively awful leaders, you wouldn’t put a whole load of money on it. But opportunities in a world that America has chosen to put in flux are openly presenting themselves. I can’t help feeling that fortune will favour those who are blithely pushing on with it, not plaintively pushing cars literally in their own back yard.
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Given the new global trade agreements that exclude the USA coming together so quickly in the wake of Trump's idiocy have certainly got me thinking about which countries will emerge as western democracy's world leaders to fill the void America is willingly opening.
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I agree with the part that Trump stabbing everyone in the back is forcing them to forge new alliances and make those hard decisions.

I don't agree that Tesla losing "half it's value" is a big deal. It has a P/E of 113/1. It's correction has been inline with other tech stocks and its runup to its highs was pure fluff based on Trump winning. While Trump accelerated the market correction (like he accelerated the rest of the world uniting with themselves) the market was going to correct. We're at about the point to where further losses will begin to reflect true Trump recession expectations but we haven't crossed that line yet.

What could Musk, the billionaires, Stephen Miran, and the crypto bros really be thinking? I've listened to more pro-Trump investment gurus lately than anything trying to make sense of things and I'm not seeing it. Bitcoin and crypto as a reserve asset means nothing if bitcoin tanks, as it paces the S&P 500 and that tanks. Tesla is still doing great, but even if Trump gives steep government incentives to buy Tesla, which may be next, it won't make up for tanking the economy. All the corruption in the Miran related schemes to transform the world economy which includes crypto scams will make SOME millionaires and low billionaires richer as rent-seekers, but won't make Musk and Bezos richer. A few people will get a bigger piece of a smaller pie. The top billionaires can't get richer without the pie getting bigger.

The prevalent theory seems to be playing chicken, they think Trump will fold and find a way around the tariff war. Most are betting on Trump's sheer corruption. I've seen one suggestion for a tariff war solution to make Trump the hero and he can move on to the next thing. But Trump is his twilight years makes this his last chance to become the greatest world-burning arson in history. That counts more than money. The threats of recession are real, the possibility of Trump's team transforming the world economy into austerity 2.0 is highly unlikely to work and nobody associated with the plan can really believe that it will -- at least from the explanations I've seen -- the rent-seeking in the transformation to that world isn't enough to make the biggest players richer and so what on earth is going on?
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Trump will be responsible for the world shifting from the dollar standard to the renminbi standard.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:06 pm
Trump will be responsible for the world shifting from the dollar standard to the renminbi standard.
I think China is right that Trump has virtually guaranteed that China will replace the U.S.A. as the world's richest and most dominant superpower. But that might be likely to happen anyway, with or without Trump. Trump may have only accelerated what was bound to happen anyway. Does he even care about that? I suspect he would be happy about achieving his aspiration to become an absolute dictator, even if China surpasses us economically and, perhaps, even militarily.
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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:56 pm
I suspect he would be happy about achieving his aspiration to become an absolute dictator, even if China surpasses us economically and, perhaps, even militarily.
Trump still subscribes to Steve Bannon's dictum that the United States must fail for the Confederate States to take its place.
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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:56 pm
Does he even care about that?
Not if he can build resorts there and generate income from it.
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