How to win!

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Re: How to win!

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 4:59 pm
I think you're wasting your time here HOH.
Yep.
The TDS is too strong for any self-reflection.
Yep.
Blame Trump and blame him often because that is what the mockingbird media demands.
Yep.
Anything else is discounted as supporting Trump because he's litterally hitler and democracy is at stake and so he must continually be blamed for everything
Yep.
and pointing out TDS means you and me are secret Trump lovers or whatever nonsense enters their brains.
Yep.
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Re: How to win!

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 4:59 pm
I think you're wasting your time here HOH. The TDS is too strong for any self-reflection. Blame Trump and blame him often because that is what the mockingbird media demands. Anything else is discounted as supporting Trump because he's litterally hitler and democracy is at stake and so he must continually be blamed for everything and pointing out TDS means you and me are secret Trump lovers or whatever nonsense enters their brains.
Yet more nonsense! Based on your comments, it is extremely difficult to avoid having, at least, a strong suspicion that you two do indeed love Trump, or, at least, like him more than current Democrat leaders. I don't think you can come close to honestly and reasonably rebutting the incontrovertible evidence supporting the points made by Canpakes above.
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Re: How to win!

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ceeboo wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 7:27 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 4:59 pm
I think you're wasting your time here HOH.
Yep.
The TDS is too strong for any self-reflection.
Yep.
Blame Trump and blame him often because that is what the mockingbird media demands.
Yep.
Anything else is discounted as supporting Trump because he's litterally hitler and democracy is at stake and so he must continually be blamed for everything
Yep.
and pointing out TDS means you and me are secret Trump lovers or whatever nonsense enters their brains.
Yep.
Ceeboo, it saddens me greatly to see how you have so thoroughly disgraced yourself by that post. I like you, as I think you are at heart a decent and caring individual. I find it tragic that you have so naïvely bought into Trump's corrosive, authoritarian and hateful nonsense. Can you honestly name even one thing that Trump has accomplished that clearly benefitted you or anyone else other than the most avaricious, power mad billionaires and oligarchs?
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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Re: How to win!

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Thank you for your comment on my thread, Dr. Exiled. It's always a pleasure to hear from someone who doesn't post frequently in Spirit Paradise.

I would like to know if you could review Gunnar's post above. I enjoy conversing with Gunnar; he stands out from many of the other posters I typically engage with. However, I find it somewhat amusing how binary many progressives can be regarding their political beliefs. Do you think I'm mistaken in this observation?

Upon reading Gunnar's response to your post, it is clear that he perceives anyone who does not share his progressive political views as a supporter of Trump. I believe it's hard to find a more black-and-white perspective on political beliefs, particularly on this forum! The progressives here adopt an all-or-nothing stance in politics; it feels like you're either with us or against us based on the conversations I've encountered in Spirit Paradise.

A brief tale to share. For more than forty years, I've been hoping that one of my Mormon family members would, during our conversations, express disapproval of just one action taken by Joseph Smith or the church that they believe was wrong. However, it has never occurred, not even a single time! I’m not sure, perhaps my family is simply too devoted to criticize any aspect of the institution they cherish. However, it seems logical to me that a church led by imperfect individuals will inevitably make mistakes over nearly 200 years. Yet, there’s nothing I can say or do to persuade them to acknowledge that the church is capable of error. I share that story because I feel a similar atmosphere when engaging with the far left members here. I have not yet seen a post where someone responds to me while willing to cast a bit of criticism on the unsuccessful progressive movement during the ten years Trump has been involved in politics. It seems like they are guarding something, and to be honest, I still haven't determined what it is that they're trying to safeguard in this discussion board.

If what I'm saying resonates with you, do you share the same sentiment? If so, what exactly are the more progressive members of the board attempting to safeguard? Why is it so difficult for them to acknowledge that progressivism and the Democrat party should cease their relentless pursuit of the same strategies they've employed for the past decade in their efforts to defeat Trump, as it's clear that this approach is ineffective?
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:09 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 7:27 pm

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.
Ceeboo, it saddens me greatly to see how you have so thoroughly disgraced yourself by that post. I like you, as I think you are at heart a decent and caring individual. I find it tragic that you have so naïvely bought into Trump's corrosive, authoritarian and hateful nonsense. Can you honestly name even one thing that Trump has accomplished that clearly benefitted you or anyone else other than the most avaricious, power mad billionaires and oligarchs?
Oh, Ceeboo, how could you possibly think you’re allowed to have an opinion? The audacity! Oh no, Ceeboo! What have you done this time?
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Re: How to win!

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Hey there, Kishkumen! Got any wild tales to share today? Just a little nudge to jog your memory! It's Saturday, and it looks like the board is as empty as my fridge on a Sunday morning! This thread is just a few hours old, and it's already on the second page, that's one more page than 9 out of 10 of your threads from the past two weeks. Just wanted to drop a little nugget of information your way! I'm your go-to buddy if you want to jazz up your threads and sprinkle in some fun! I'll teach you for free!
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:09 pm
Ceeboo, it saddens me greatly to see how you have so thoroughly disgraced yourself by that post.
Most of the posts I read here nowadays sadden me a great deal - Including many of the ones you have authored.
as I think you are at heart a decent and caring individual.
Some would agree - Some would disagree. Shrug.
I find it tragic that you have so naïvely bought into Trump's corrosive, authoritarian and hateful nonsense. Can you honestly name even one thing that Trump has accomplished that clearly benefitted you or anyone else other than the most avaricious, power mad billionaires and oligarchs?
As a big Victor Davis Hanson fan, I will share an article I just read below. If you decide, for whatever reason, that you're not interested in reading it - No worries - Perhaps someone else might find some value in it.

"Hello, this is Victor Davis Hanson for The Daily Signal. We’re coming up over the three-month mark or the proverbial “100 days” are on the horizon of a new administration.

When that happens, people like to take stock of it. Given the furious pushback against Trump—both from the Left, from the Democratic Party, and many centrist independents, even libertarian Republicans—you’d think that things were not going well.

But a recent poll by CNN showed that President Donald Trump had wide approval. Another poll has just come out where he was up to 54%. Given the media hostility, you would think that he would be completely negative, but he’s not. He has the confidence of the majority of the American people. Why is that? Let’s just take a quick tour of what he’s done in the first 100 days.

He has completely reversed 10,000 people coming in a day—over 300,000 a month, 12 million in four years—to essentially 97%, 98% of the border is secure. In fact, there is no open border now.

Now he has pivoted to try to address the 12 million people that former President Joe Biden not only let in but scattered all over the United States on often state, federal, and local subsidies. That’s gonna be a task. But he has shut the border. No comprehensive immigration reform. None of the things they said was necessary. None of the things that said that it was impossible, that hampered by. He just did it. We’ve never seen anything like it.

He has revolutionized energy. There is no New Green Deal. There’s no electric vehicle mandate. We’re not going to be funding more boondoggles of high-speed rail. We’re going to burn clean coal, restore the Appalachian coal fields, those in the West as well. We’re leasing out new oil fields. We’re trying to get liquid national gas shipped to Europe, that’s in dire need of it. We’re continuing fracking.

We’re producing so much energy that the price of oil has gone—at one point in the Biden administration, it was $120 a barrel. It’s down to almost $60. And by the way, he’s not draining the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And he won’t do that before a midterm. If anything, he will begin filling it again pretty soon.

On the diversity, equity, and inclusion front, he didn’t have to get into DEI. That’s the third rail. He just said it’s over with because it violates the recent Supreme Court ruling that found that Harvard and the University of North Carolina were culpable for racist practices against Asian-American applicants.

The law is on Donald Trump’s side. The court decisions are on Donald Trump’s side. And now DEI is being purged from government auspices and private corporations.

Everybody says, “I’m Rip Van Winkle. I woke up. What were we doing?” We were doing exactly the opposite of what Martin Luther King—we were judging people by the color of their skin, by their superficial appearance, not the content of their character. That is a revolution.

And then suddenly everybody said he wiped out the stock market because he insisted on not just free trade but fair trade. And he said he was going to sanction China. And he did. Now all of a sudden we have 70 countries trying to negotiate. And as I’m speaking, nations such as Italy or Japan want to make a deal. What is a deal? A deal is they’re not going to run up surpluses at the same extent.

We have a $1.1 trillion trade deficit. Donald Trump is going to get in the next few weeks a few major nations, and once he does—to make a deal—all the others will not want to be without a chair when the music stops. They will want to follow. When they follow, China will be eager to negotiate because its efforts to get Europe on its side have failed.

If you look very quickly abroad, Donald Trump is still trying to find peace. And no, he’s not Russian President Vladimir Putin’s puppet. He’s been very tough on Putin. He suggests he would have a secondary oil boycott on nations that bought Russian oil, something Biden never imagined. But he is getting frustrated by both sides. And he’s putting renewed pressure.

In the Middle East, Iran is at its weakest point. Israel’s ready to take out the nuclear facilities, to the extent it cannot without sophisticated, heavy bombers. And Donald Trump is not looking for an optional war. He’s telling the Iranians, “Time is running out. Settle. Dismantle your nuclear facilities or else.”

The Red Sea is open for navigation. The Houthis are in retreat. There is nobody in the United States who wants to negotiate with Hamas or Hezbollah. It’s an entirely new game.

China is very worried that its companies are gonna be delisted, that are fraudulent, from the stock market in the United States. They’re very worried. There are 300,000 students—that is their pipeline to the ex-appropriation of technology in the United States—might have to go home. There’s so many levers to pull against China and so much culpability on their part that I think they will make a deal.

So what am I getting at? Forget what the media says. Forget what his opponent said. Forget Kilmar Abrego Garcia, forget Luigi Mangione, all of these distractions. The first 100 days have been revolutionary. We’ve never seen anything like it, not during the Reagan administration, not during FDR, in terms of the magnitude of the changes. And that is why people are furious.

No one in their right mind thought anybody would try to stage a counterrevolution and be so successful in the first 100 days."

END OF ARTICLE.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 7:46 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 4:59 pm
I think you're wasting your time here HOH. The TDS is too strong for any self-reflection. Blame Trump and blame him often because that is what the mockingbird media demands. Anything else is discounted as supporting Trump because he's litterally hitler and democracy is at stake and so he must continually be blamed for everything and pointing out TDS means you and me are secret Trump lovers or whatever nonsense enters their brains.
Yet more nonsense! Based on your comments, it is extremely difficult to avoid having, at least, a strong suspicion that you two do indeed love Trump, or, at least, like him more than current Democrat leaders. I don't think you can come close to honestly and reasonably rebutting the incontrovertible evidence supporting the points made by Canpakes above.
Of course. I don't lose my s___ every time his name comes up so therefore ...

As for the points that Canpakes made I'll give you my opinion but I don't give a rats a$$ whether or not you believe it was or was not rebutted. Further, I wonder if he ever established enough to rebut. Anyway, I already know how TDS works. This is why practically everyone here would be thrown off the jury for cause if Trump were on trial here. You guys believed in the nonsense Russiagate lies and have sh__ your pants everytime at the bogey man the Democrats have set up in order to avoid real populist change that the people want but the donor class fears. You've all been tricked and both parties are involved but you're obviously too enthralled with your monster that your reptilian brain cannot see what's really going on. I'll give you a hint: Over the last 50 years all the economic gains have gone to the top while the rest have stayed stagnant. We have endless wars and now Trump wants to have a $1 Trillion war budget and the DoD cannot pass an audit. But, yeah, Trump bad, focus on him and him alone.

1. The electorate is pretty evenly divided and I agree with this point.
2. I disagree with this one. Trump, Trump, Trump .... and then the stiff they put up against him that won because of the unreasonable fear of hitler and democracy being at stake. Then in the last election they again relied on fear as their candidate couldn't put together a sentence, seemingly due to too much wine at the pre-appearance election parties she attended. No, fear is used by the democrats and it is also used by the republicans. Fear has been a staple of politics since as far back as I can remember.
3. Of course they use cancel culture. Group pressure is a staple of politics that both parties use. Take a look at the Twitter files, the recent admissions of Facebook and how it used its algorithms to support what the Biden Admin wanted as far as covid, etc. The Biden Admin wanted to set up a Disinformation Governance Board to "protect us" from speech and information the Biden Admin didn't like. It also set about to cancel those that disagreed with the failed govt narrative re covid by forcing those off of Twitter, and other social media. Hollywood cancelled many for not obeying the democrat narrative re covid. Now, Trump isn't any better. He wants to coddle our ruler Israel by proposing a clear violation of the 1st amendment for those who dare disagree with Israel and the genocide its doing. This is a form of cancel culture and both parties do it.
4. Of course Trump wants to line his pockets and so do all the others there. He's been talking about the Presidency since Ross Perot in the 90's. Nancy Pelosi is an amazing stock picker with all that inside information she gets and Biden, well, he pardoned pretty much all of his family for some reason.
5. I'll agree here to a point. The democrats will use protection when raping and may buy dinner prior thereto. I'll give them that.
6. Antifa seemed to fit the bully narrative pretty well and it was allied with democrats. Then there are the cry bullies that have been attacking Teslas recently. The democrat judges in DC over did it regarding J6 and are still at it. No, they are bullies. However, the republicans have a history of bullying when the CIA and FBI and the warmongers were on its side.
7. Trust and Policy? That is a laugh. That's the problem. You can only trust the politicians to steal your money or misuse it and then look you in the eye and deny it happened while getting the media to cover for them. Right now the democrats are down in the polls, but, give Trump time.

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-lea ... es-2061763
https://www.realclearpolling.com/storie ... -on-record
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:26 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:09 pm


Ceeboo, it saddens me greatly to see how you have so thoroughly disgraced yourself by that post. I like you, as I think you are at heart a decent and caring individual. I find it tragic that you have so naïvely bought into Trump's corrosive, authoritarian and hateful nonsense. Can you honestly name even one thing that Trump has accomplished that clearly benefitted you or anyone else other than the most avaricious, power mad billionaires and oligarchs?
Oh, Ceeboo, how could you possibly think you’re allowed to have an opinion? The audacity! Oh no, Ceeboo! What have you done this time?
Thoroughly disgraced myself?
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ceeboo wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:55 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sat May 10, 2025 8:26 pm


Oh, Ceeboo, how could you possibly think you’re allowed to have an opinion? The audacity! Oh no, Ceeboo! What have you done this time?
Thoroughly disgraced myself?
Absolutely! That’s definitely the case. You’ve probably embarrassed yourself just like every other time you’ve shared your thoughts on this board. Just kidding, but im sure that's how most here feel and it's ridiculous!

On a more serious note, Ceeboo, I appreciate you not being shy about sharing your opinions here in Spirit Paradise. I genuinely enjoy your posts! I just wish that, for once, the progressives could let you share without feeling the urge to take personal jabs. It’s starting to feel a bit like a broken record, to be honest!
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