Sperm donors and Child Support

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_skippy the dead
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Re: Sperm donors and Child Support

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Moniker wrote:
skippy the dead wrote:
Of course, it used to be that the fathers retained the children in the event of a divorce (being their property, and all). Then the "best interests of the children" test came along, and courts began to look at who performed the actual care-taking of the children. Note that parents usually do get joint legal custody of kids, it's the physical custody that gets more tricky. And I've seen enough cases to know that 50/50 physical custody can be hard on kids, especially little ones (which is why often for toddlers, physical custody simply cannot be 50/50). I have also obtained primary physical custody for fathers on many occasions, when the father has been the primary emotional parent.

PAS goes both ways (against either parent), and it's unfortunate when parents are so petty and adversely affect their kids.


Well, I'm certain you know more about this then I do. It seemed to go from men retaining custody (property) to the assumption that mother's were always better care givers. I'm glad there's been a shift in this. PAS is awful! I wonder, skippy, did you see much of that when you did family law?


Unfortunately I did see some, but thankfully not that often. Many times I would see a wounded parent arguing for PAS when none existed - mainly that parent was seeing their own fears and anger instead of reality. That could be almost as damaging. (I may not have articulated this as well as I'd like - hopefully you can understand my meaning).

I had my own test for who the actual care-giver was - I would ask my client who the child would run to if he were hurt. Usually that's a pretty good determiner for where the stronger emotional bond was, and who the child instinctively thought was more nurturing. And many times, it would be the father (for instance, I know that my sister's husband is more nurturing, and would be the better primary caregiver).

The thing that chapped my hide was when a father would seek additional custody just to reduce their child support obligation (particularly when there were no financial obstacles to paying it). They would have no interest in having the children with them - they just wanted the extra $$ for their latest conquest or car. It could be devastating for the mother (which, sadly, was sometimes also the goal).

Needless to say, I had to leave the area of family law eventually. It took too heavy a toll on me.
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Re: Sperm donors and Child Support

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Moniker wrote:Oh, abman, you seem so bitter this evening. Sorry. :(

I don't feel particularly bitter today. Reading the news just reminded me of one my pet peeves. That's all.

Are you planning on having children?

Yes, and this kind of stuff scares me. People change over time--even good people. There is no guarantee that my wife will still like the person I become in 10 years. I know I've gotten more cynical about society over the past 5. I also have a very different view about the church than I did a decade ago on my mission. If I ever thought the church wasn't true and my wife decided she didn't like that, I'd end up with the short end of the stick. I don't plan on leaving, but I recognize that there are few guarantees in life. I resent that I have no recourse.

Maybe I should simply make sure that the kids prefer me if I see stormy weather ahead. I hear kids really like candy when they're young . . . ;)
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Re: Sperm donors and Child Support

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Skippy, I got your meaning. I would think that job would be incredibly stressful.


abman wrote:
Are you planning on having children?

Yes, and this kind of stuff scares me. People change over time--even good people. There is no guarantee that my wife will still like the person I become in 10 years. I know I've gotten more cynical about society over the past 5. I also have a very different view about the church than I did a decade ago on my mission. If I ever thought the church wasn't true and my wife decided she didn't like that, I'd end up with the short end of the stick. I don't plan on leaving, but I recognize that there are few guarantees in life. I resent that I have no recourse.

Maybe I should simply make sure that the kids prefer me if I see stormy weather ahead. I hear kids really like candy when they're young . . . ;)


Do you think you're leaning toward the Church not being true? You know I shouldn't give relationship advice. :) But, I'm pretty sure your wife is a very lucky woman because from every indication you are a great guy. I mean, you're one of the BEST! I can't imagine anyone disliking you -- ever. Just keep working on meeting each other's needs and communicating and I would think that would be the key. You appear to be very sensitive, empathetic, and show great passion when it comes to your relationship with your wife -- I think those are a winning combination.
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Re: Sperm donors and Child Support

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asbestosman wrote: Why the heck do we allow single women to get pregnant from sperm banks in the first place? What a crazy world this is. [/rant]


Some women just like being mothers. Do you think this may be biological? ;-)

Perhaps sperm banks should carry insurance to indemnify the donors from the wacky rulings of judges.
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