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Moniker
Here's another article from AA Gill on Japanese:
Quote:


From The Sunday TimesSeptember 3, 2006

Saki
AA Gill


ROFLMAO...thanks for posting that Moniker, I laughed to hard, it's given me a headaches. Sheesh that was good. this is priceless

"Best of all were the udon noodles: boring but decent, they came with excellent Benny Hill noises.

Finally, Steve said: “That’s everything.”

Everything? But my parasites are still squeaking like blind chicks in a tripe nest. Bring more.

“More?” he said in awe. And before we all broke out into Food, Glorious Food, he brought more sushi.

I counted 28 items on the bill. For four people, it came to £219 — £21 of which was for drink. Now that’s a whole lot of money, but like everything else about the Japs, the normal rules of value don’t apply. It was cheaper than I expected. "
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MargGettingTheGiggles wrote:ROFLMAO...thanks for posting that Moniker, I laughed to hard, it's given me a headaches. Sheesh that was good.


Did you actually get a belly laugh from this one?

Right. Well, you know we laugh at you because you can’t pronounce your Relief Society? “Weally?”


I bet you actually fell out of your chair at this?

To respond, smile with as much patronage as you can muster and say: “Yes, it’s a pity you’ll never know what your decorative plagiarised trinket civilisation looks like through sophisticated western eyes.” Or: “How droll of you to have so many Elvis impersonators, and to make one of them prime minister.”
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Moniker wrote:I'd LOVE to discuss that article! And I'm not the only one that has done so! I knew you'd be back! I told you, test my impulse control.... :)


Uh you knew I'd be back? I never said I was leaving you did. You did.

I'm aware some people don't like his humor and satire. I'm aware lots of people don't like Bill Mahers's humor. It doesn't mean the satire isn't true and funny at the same time.
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marg wrote:
Moniker wrote:I'd LOVE to discuss that article! And I'm not the only one that has done so! I knew you'd be back! I told you, test my impulse control.... :)


Uh you knew I'd be back? I never said I was leaving you did. You did.

I'm aware some people don't like his humor and satire. I'm aware lots of people don't like Bill Mahers's humor. It doesn't mean the satire isn't true and funny at the same time.


Nah, I said I didn't want to talk to YOU anymore.... and I don't..... but I do enjoy watching you defend racist literature......

I just assumed any decent human being would realize they were defending racist literature and not show their face so soon. But, alas ...

..... so carry on telling everyone that's reading this thread allll about it (there's a bunch of 'em peeking:)
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Moniker wrote:
MargGettingTheGiggles wrote:ROFLMAO...thanks for posting that Moniker, I laughed to hard, it's given me a headaches. Sheesh that was good.


Did you actually get a belly laugh from this one?


There were plenty of parts I had a good laugh at. I could relate to the expense, small portions, bring on more food, slurping eating noodles etc. I found it extemely funny.

So thanks...
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marg wrote:
Moniker wrote:
MargGettingTheGiggles wrote:ROFLMAO...thanks for posting that Moniker, I laughed to hard, it's given me a headaches. Sheesh that was good.


Did you actually get a belly laugh from this one?


There were plenty of parts I had a good laugh at. I could relate to the expense, small portions, bring on more food, slurping eating noodles etc. I found it extemely funny.

So thanks...


No, thank you, marg. :)
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You want the unfunny parts..here you go..comment on these. While you are at it, since he doesn't mention it I will..comment on the Nanking Massacres.



- This is a country where the men pee in the street but it’s the height of bad manners to blow your nose,

- The atomic bomb that wiped out Hiroshima, killing 140,000 people and reducing a wooden city to ash and black rain, was, if you ask me, with the benefit of hindsight, all things considered, a good thing. As a direct result of Hiroshima, the war ended. The emperor overrode his military, who wanted a banzai suicide last battle, and broadcast their unconditional surrender.

- Well, hold on, Tojo. When it comes to apologies, Japan’s silence is cacophonous. What about your treatment of prisoners of war? “Oh, they were soldiers,” I’m told with a quiet, slow patronage. What about the Chinese massacres? “Exaggerated.” The Korean comfort women, don’t they deserve apologies? “Oh, they’re just making a fuss because Japan is rich and they want money. And 20,000 Koreans were killed in Hiroshima.” True, they were slaves, and when they asked if there could be a memorial for Koreans in this peace garden, the Japanese said no.

- Let’s get the Japanese as victims into perspective. During the war in the East, half a million allied soldiers died. Three million Japanese died and 20 million other Asians perished under Japan’s brief expansion into an empire. That’s 20 million we in the West rarely remember. As I stand here, the newspapers are full of Koreans and Chinese bitterly denouncing Japan’s new school history books, which deny any culpability. The Japanese don’t think they’re worth a sorry. The detonation of an atomic bomb above Hiroshima was the starting gun for modern Japan. It blew away not just the most deeply cruel military government but a thousand-year-old political and social system – the most inhuman and exploitative ever designed. The violent burst of the nuclear age was the best thing that ever happened to Japan. It didn’t destroy anything like as much as it created.

- Before the war, Japan had an economy that was a small fraction of America’s. A wood-and-rice peasant place, its main exports were textiles and soldiers. Today, even in the slough of a prolonged depression, it’s still the second biggest economy in the world, with a GDP as large as Britain’s, France’s and Germany’s combined. That’s astonishing, not least because Japan is about one-and-a-half times the size of UK with twice as many people and only a third of its land habitable, yet it has no natural resources to speak of. So, where did it all go wrong? How come Japan has such commercial success but still manages to be a socially weird disaster? Because, have no doubts, they’re not happy.

- And then there are geishas. In Kyoto’s wooden old town, hundreds of Japanese tourists loiter, cameras at the ready. Nothing happens in Japan unless it happens at 400 ASA. Kyoto has seven million tourists a year, 90% of them indigenous. It’s a pleasure to see that even at home they travel in gawky, bovine groups. They’re waiting for a glimpse of a geisha slipping into a teahouse. There used to be 20,000 geishas in Kyoto; now there are fewer than 200. They hobble out of their limousines, bowing in all their pristine, extravagant absurdity. Geishas are trained to devote their lives to rich, drunk men.

- Only the very, very rich can afford geishas. The salarymen dream of them. The trainee geishas, the backs of whose heads are dressed to represent vaginas, clip-clop down the road, their smiling white faces making their teeth look like little yellow cherry stones. A geisha’s raison d’être is to pour drinks, giggle behind her hand, tell men they are handsome, strong and amusing, listen to boastful lies, and never show any emotion except bliss. Occasionally, for a great deal of cash, some will allow men to copulate with them. We, of course, have geishas back in Blighty: we call them barmaids.

- After school-kids, retired men have the highest hara-kiri rate. In a country with no sense of individual value, belonging to a job is their only source of self-worth. A Japanese man tells me that the key to understanding Japan is to grasp that it is a shame-based culture.

- In the West, success is the carrot. In Japan, fear of failure and ostracism is the stick. This isn’t merely a semantic difference, it’s a basic mindset.

Sex is where the weirdness of the Japanese peaks. (I'll post a link re blow up dolls an example of weird sexual behavior I'm aware of that apparently is accepted in Japan http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/a ... 00m0dm0160 )

- Traditionally, the Japanese live with their in-laws, and, in a cramped apartment with paper walls, marital harmony can be strained. So harassed couples, carrying the shopping, sidle in for half an hour’s conjugal bliss. It takes the spontaneity out of sex, but then if you asked a Japanese man to do something spontaneous, he’d have to check his PalmPilot first.

- Women are either silent housework drudges or sex toys. You see this dehumanising view of women in manga. Manga are those ubiquitous pornographic comic books. Men read them openly on the trains and buses. You can buy them anywhere.

- Pick up almost any book at random and be prepared for a sharp intake of breath. The stories, such as they are, generally involve schoolgirls being attacked or raped; the scenarios are inventive in their nastiness. Children are abducted, gagged in their beds, dragged up dark alleys. The victims are small and defenceless, with unfeasibly large breasts and round, tearful eyes. They are regularly killed or commit suicide. I kept thinking that the last pages must be missing, the ones with the comeuppance, but there’s none. And, to add a peculiarly Japanese weirdness, the drawings are delicately censored. Minute slivers of genitalia are Tipp-Exed out. Nothing is as unnervingly sordid as manga, and nothing would so distress the European parents of a daughter. And the Japanese think less than nothing of it


- Japan has taken the worst of the West and discarded the best. So it has democracy without individualism. It has freedom of speech but is too frightened to say anything. It makes without creating. And, saddest and most telling, it has emotion without love. You never feel love here. They have obsession, yearning and cold observation – even beauty and devotion – but nothing is done or said with the spontaneous exuberance of love, and I have never seen anywhere else in the whole wide world where you could say that.

- I want to finish back in Hiroshima. After the war, the survivors of the atomic bomb were ostracised. People would hire private detectives to ensure that prospective spouses weren’t from Hiroshima. So the survivors lied and hid their guilty secret and trauma. Imperfect, embarrassing and tainted, they should have died. It’s the absence of the western idea of love – of brotherly, charitable love or sensual love, that finally explains Japan’s appalling, lunatic cruelty.
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marg wrote:You want the unfunny parts..here you go..comment on these. While you are at it, since he doesn't mention it I will..comment on the Nanking Massacres.



- This is a country where the men pee in the street but it’s the height of bad manners to blow your nose,

- The atomic bomb that wiped out Hiroshima, killing 140,000 people and reducing a wooden city to ash and black rain, was, if you ask me, with the benefit of hindsight, all things considered, a good thing. As a direct result of Hiroshima, the war ended. The emperor overrode his military, who wanted a banzai suicide last battle, and broadcast their unconditional surrender.

- Well, hold on, Tojo. When it comes to apologies, Japan’s silence is cacophonous. What about your treatment of prisoners of war? “Oh, they were soldiers,” I’m told with a quiet, slow patronage. What about the Chinese massacres? “Exaggerated.” The Korean comfort women, don’t they deserve apologies? “Oh, they’re just making a fuss because Japan is rich and they want money. And 20,000 Koreans were killed in Hiroshima.” True, they were slaves, and when they asked if there could be a memorial for Koreans in this peace garden, the Japanese said no.

- Let’s get the Japanese as victims into perspective. During the war in the East, half a million allied soldiers died. Three million Japanese died and 20 million other Asians perished under Japan’s brief expansion into an empire. That’s 20 million we in the West rarely remember. As I stand here, the newspapers are full of Koreans and Chinese bitterly denouncing Japan’s new school history books, which deny any culpability. The Japanese don’t think they’re worth a sorry. The detonation of an atomic bomb above Hiroshima was the starting gun for modern Japan. It blew away not just the most deeply cruel military government but a thousand-year-old political and social system – the most inhuman and exploitative ever designed. The violent burst of the nuclear age was the best thing that ever happened to Japan. It didn’t destroy anything like as much as it created.

- Before the war, Japan had an economy that was a small fraction of America’s. A wood-and-rice peasant place, its main exports were textiles and soldiers. Today, even in the slough of a prolonged depression, it’s still the second biggest economy in the world, with a GDP as large as Britain’s, France’s and Germany’s combined. That’s astonishing, not least because Japan is about one-and-a-half times the size of UK with twice as many people and only a third of its land habitable, yet it has no natural resources to speak of. So, where did it all go wrong? How come Japan has such commercial success but still manages to be a socially weird disaster? Because, have no doubts, they’re not happy.

- And then there are geishas. In Kyoto’s wooden old town, hundreds of Japanese tourists loiter, cameras at the ready. Nothing happens in Japan unless it happens at 400 ASA. Kyoto has seven million tourists a year, 90% of them indigenous. It’s a pleasure to see that even at home they travel in gawky, bovine groups. They’re waiting for a glimpse of a geisha slipping into a teahouse. There used to be 20,000 geishas in Kyoto; now there are fewer than 200. They hobble out of their limousines, bowing in all their pristine, extravagant absurdity. Geishas are trained to devote their lives to rich, drunk men.

- Only the very, very rich can afford geishas. The salarymen dream of them. The trainee geishas, the backs of whose heads are dressed to represent vaginas, clip-clop down the road, their smiling white faces making their teeth look like little yellow cherry stones. A geisha’s raison d’être is to pour drinks, giggle behind her hand, tell men they are handsome, strong and amusing, listen to boastful lies, and never show any emotion except bliss. Occasionally, for a great deal of cash, some will allow men to copulate with them. We, of course, have geishas back in Blighty: we call them barmaids.

- After school-kids, retired men have the highest hara-kiri rate. In a country with no sense of individual value, belonging to a job is their only source of self-worth. A Japanese man tells me that the key to understanding Japan is to grasp that it is a shame-based culture.

- In the West, success is the carrot. In Japan, fear of failure and ostracism is the stick. This isn’t merely a semantic difference, it’s a basic mindset.

Sex is where the weirdness of the Japanese peaks. (I'll post a link re blow up dolls an example of weird sexual behavior I'm aware of that apparently is accepted in Japan http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/a ... 00m0dm0160 )

- Traditionally, the Japanese live with their in-laws, and, in a cramped apartment with paper walls, marital harmony can be strained. So harassed couples, carrying the shopping, sidle in for half an hour’s conjugal bliss. It takes the spontaneity out of sex, but then if you asked a Japanese man to do something spontaneous, he’d have to check his PalmPilot first.

- Women are either silent housework drudges or sex toys. You see this dehumanising view of women in manga. Manga are those ubiquitous pornographic comic books. Men read them openly on the trains and buses. You can buy them anywhere.

- Pick up almost any book at random and be prepared for a sharp intake of breath. The stories, such as they are, generally involve schoolgirls being attacked or raped; the scenarios are inventive in their nastiness. Children are abducted, gagged in their beds, dragged up dark alleys. The victims are small and defenceless, with unfeasibly large breasts and round, tearful eyes. They are regularly killed or commit suicide. I kept thinking that the last pages must be missing, the ones with the comeuppance, but there’s none. And, to add a peculiarly Japanese weirdness, the drawings are delicately censored. Minute slivers of genitalia are Tipp-Exed out. Nothing is as unnervingly sordid as manga, and nothing would so distress the European parents of a daughter. And the Japanese think less than nothing of it


- Japan has taken the worst of the West and discarded the best. So it has democracy without individualism. It has freedom of speech but is too frightened to say anything. It makes without creating. And, saddest and most telling, it has emotion without love. You never feel love here. They have obsession, yearning and cold observation – even beauty and devotion – but nothing is done or said with the spontaneous exuberance of love, and I have never seen anywhere else in the whole wide world where you could say that.

- I want to finish back in Hiroshima. After the war, the survivors of the atomic bomb were ostracised. People would hire private detectives to ensure that prospective spouses weren’t from Hiroshima. So the survivors lied and hid their guilty secret and trauma. Imperfect, embarrassing and tainted, they should have died. It’s the absence of the western idea of love – of brotherly, charitable love or sensual love, that finally explains Japan’s appalling, lunatic cruelty.


I'm just here to quote you..........

I already read all of this. None of it was funny to me, marg.
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Moniker wrote: I already read all of this. None of it was funny to me, marg.



It isn't funny Moniker, read my first line.
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marg wrote:
Moniker wrote: I already read all of this. None of it was funny to me, marg.



It isn't funny Moniker, read my first line.


I did. Nan King is very upsetting to me. I couldn't sleep for a week after I first read about it as a teenager. I was so moved and horrified by the brutality of hate and racism that I took lessons from it. I recall watching a man stand in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square and I couldn't sleep -- stared at my ceiling as a child and recognized how we are all united by the same struggles for liberty -- humanity has no barriers in regards to race. I was horrified when I read about the Holocaust, I've walked the Natchez Trace and knelt where Native Americans had trod on the trail of tears, I've wept at battle sites where men died over land and power. I have a response when I am confronted with any time in history when those "different" from "us" are looked upon as less than human.

I'm not an apologist for the Japanese culture. I'm not going to play one. I've been to South Korea, Thailand, Germany, Canada, Mexico, and South Africa, lived in Ithaca New York, spent my early teens in Washington D.C. and VA, spent summers in Vermont, visited Southern California often, bounced all over North America moving here and there -- I enjoyed all those cultures and the people found there. I can enjoy them, make remarks about how I enjoy other cultures, comment on their religious beliefs, their customs, etc... I do this -- because with all sincerity I attempt to see the beauty everywhere.

I have no identity wrapped in one country or place (although I do consider Japan my first home), and no group of people -- I love all of humanity. Even you.

I'm ashamed for allowing my own buttons to get pushed, and then pushing back. Yet, now, I'm just tired of it, and all I am now is a witness to you reminding me what I don't want to be. I choose not to be bitter. I forgive you.

Carry on as you see fit.
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