Someone Explain Sam's Sig Line to Me

[_Moniker]

I wish everyone could make up.

I really don't understand the animosity.

[_Paul Kemp]

There are atheists that proclaim theists are mentally deficient, deluded, etc.... There are theists that proclaim that atheists are immoral, deluded, etc...

I guess I would be one of those atheists that proclaims theists are deluded. I think they need to hear it. They aren't going to figure it out for themselves. And since they can't keep it to themselves, they've got our attention.

To effectively challenge a belief system we should take on the beliefs and not the person espousing them, imho.

Agreed. Theists can't, though. Their beliefs are too outlandish to be under the microscope for very long.

[_Doctor Steuss]

I guess I would be one of those atheists that proclaims theists are deluded.

How's that working out for you?

[_Moniker]

There are atheists that proclaim theists are mentally deficient, deluded, etc.... There are theists that proclaim that atheists are immoral, deluded, etc...

I guess I would be one of those atheists that proclaims theists are deluded. I think they need to hear it. They aren't going to figure it out for themselves. And since they can't keep it to themselves, they've got our attention.

To effectively challenge a belief system we should take on the beliefs and not the person espousing them, imho.

Agreed. Theists can't, though. Their beliefs are too outlandish to be under the microscope for very long.

Oh, shoot. I always get caught before my edits!

Well, I think how you approach people can determine how well your message is received.

I can appreciate theists that look to peace, love, justice, etc... and appreciate those sentiments immensely! Are there other sentiments I'm not fond of? Well, yes, however approaching people with commonalities and good will can most likely create a better atmosphere to have a productive conversation.

I don't see people as being defined by their belief in a deity or lack of one. There are theists I think are quite amazing and atheists I am certain are nimrods. I just don't understand why it's an us vs. them set up here. It doesn't have to be.

[_Ren]

I just don't understand why it's an us vs. them set up here. It doesn't have to be.

Meh - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Theists - you all suck the big one. Seriously...

[_Paul Kemp]

I guess I would be one of those atheists that proclaims theists are deluded.

How's that working out for you?

meh, could be worse. I could be out proclaiming atheists are deluded and gays degrade marriage...

[_Doctor Steuss]

I just don't understand why it's an us vs. them set up here. It doesn't have to be.

Meh - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Theists - you all suck the big one. Seriously...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpitH2xUUyA

Suck on this atheist beeyotch.

[_Doctor Steuss]

I guess I would be one of those atheists that proclaims theists are deluded.

How's that working out for you?

meh, could be worse. I could be out proclaiming atheists are deluded and gays degrade marriage...

Keep it up then... Right up.


Now a question of etiquette; as I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch...?

[_Ren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpitH2xUUyA

Suck on this atheist beeyotch.

...I do not fear your banana Doc.
No matter how big, firm or yellow it may be...

...now, your peanut butter on the other hand...

[_Angus McAwesome]

Man... I'm looking through the list of "Ya might be a fundy atheist" on the website in Harris' sig and seriously wondering just how poorly educated the person or persons that wrote this crap were. Just the "History" section is filled with enough factual, logical, and general debate errors that it really makes me wonder if they were born with some sort of mental handicap that prevented them from learning or if the school district they attended was just that bad (assuming they actually did attend school in the first place).

Examples:

#59. Any scholar who believes in a historical Jesus must be a theist. If they are an atheist, then they must secretly want to be a theist.

By this horrifically flawed logic, in order to believe in a historical Mohammad one must be an Muslim, to believe in a historical Abraham Lincoln one must be either an American Citizen and/or a Republican, or to believe in a historical Albert Einstein one must be a mathematician/physicist.

#65. You think that the Declaration of Independence is unconstitutional because it mentions "the creator".

That might have some merit if the Declaration of Independence was actually a part of US Law (it isn't). How a historical document with no actual legal relevance can be "unconstitutional" is beyond me. By this absurd logic since the Bible mentions god therefore the Bible must be unconstitutional (contradicting the First Amendment right to freedom of religion, by the way).

#71. You think Bolshevik Revolution leader Leon Trotsky was a far better person than Mother Theresa.

Because if you're an atheist it automatically means you must also be a communist as well. Nevermind that Leon Trotsky wasn't the leader of the Bolsheviks, who where founded by Vladimir Lenin. Trotsky was originally a member of the Menshiviks (the minority of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labor Party), and eventually went over to the Bolsheviks in 1917. Trotsky was a high ranking member of the Bolsheviks (second to Lenin in fact) during the revolution, but by no means the leader of the Bolsheviks or any of the Russian Revolutions (There were serveral of them at the begining of the 20th Century).

#76. You evidently think that slaughtering 6,000,000 Jews is no different from using sugar in your porridge,since whenever someone points out that Hitler's actions show him to VERY UN-Christian,you exclaim "No true Scotsman uses sugar in his porridge!"

Unchristian by who's definition of a christian? Never mind that the Nazi's persecution of the Jews was driven out of racism and not religious concerns. This one is just a typical "not-a-true-scotsman" fallacy.

#81. You desperately wish that Stalin and Mao hadn't been atheists.

Probably about as much as Christians desperately wish that Hitler wasn't a Christian, amirite? See, this one here is form of red herring fallacy known as "guilt by association". What they're saying is that since Stalin and Mao did bad things, and since they were atheists, therefore atheists do bad things.

#83. # You not only spell "God" with a lower case "g," but you also add an "E" to "B.C.," and replace the word "Christ" with an "x." Yet, when asked to name the planets you have no problem with spouting out the appropriate list of Roman Gods. Heck, you'll even spell them with capital letters! Not only that, you can even spell and pronounce the name of the 800-mile-diameter Trans-Neptunian Object 'Quaoar', and are delighted that it comes from the creation mythology of the Tongva people (a.k.a. the San Gabrielino Native Americans).

Oh, man... Where to begin...

1. B.C.E is the commonly accepted method in dating among scientists and historians. Seriously, Before Christ? Complaining about this is every bit as asinine as an Islamic demanding that years before the Birth of the Phropet Mohammad be stated as being "Before Mohammad". This complaint isn't anything more then butthurt based on the persecution complex a lot of Christians seem to have developed these days.

2. X-mass is like X-walk. It's a contraction, nothing more. More butthurt by the "we're so prosecuted" Christians.

3. Blame the Romans and the Greeks for the modern names of the Planets. Better yet, blame early Christians for not substitution more "Christian" names for the Roman or Greek names. I mean, you guys only had what... Better part of 2000 years to do that?

4. Don't like the name that Doctors Trujillo and Brown gave it? Then go to university, earn a PhD in astronomy, go discover an object and you get to name it yourself. Seriously, you don't even have to do the PhD bit, just grab a decently powerful telescope and learn to take good notes. That's assuming you can pry yourself away from blaming those damned Atheist Scientists for everything wrong in the universe....


I could go on with this list of absurdity all day. Not even humorous so much as it just reeks of butthurt and fail. Really sad stuff.