Powell's endorsement of Obama

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Brackite wrote: Colin Powell's Son endorses John McCain:
http://werblog.com/2008/07/response-fro ... tech-plan/


Interesting article, Brackite.

I think that one of the reasons that Powell endorsed Obama is that he does not want his legacy linked to the Bush administration. There were mistakes made there. Bush did not follow Powell's counsel on some issues regarding the war, and I think that has a bearing on his decision. I also think that Powell's endorsement of Obama does not take away from Powell's respect for McCain. He stated that this was a very difficult choice, given the 25 year friendship he has with McCain.

I don't think that there is any dispute that McCain knows the battlefield, and has a better knowledge of war tactics than probably any U.S. Presidential candidate we have had.

However, a President needs to have a certain amount of charisma in order to effectively influence those he is trying to lead. Obama has that. Reagan had it. Kennedy had it.

Like it or not the American people are craving this type of leadership.

And, Powell's point is that he has met with Obama, and has a feel with who Obama will surround himself with in order to lead an effective war. Frankly, if Obama is willing to continue to counsel with Powell (I think it would be awesome if he appointed Powell to his cabinet), then I, for one, feel a lot better about Obama's foreign policy direction.

The economy is a mess. Obama's economic plans make sense. I also support his stance on education funding, and his healthcare plan.
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GoodK wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Actually, it's BC who needs help. He embarrasses Christians everywhere with his callous comments.


Sorry - by "you people" I mean Kevin, BC, and AS8. You guys need help.


I knew the comment wasn't directed at me. You love me. LOL I'm also an Obama supporter. :)

In defense of Antishock's comment...I will say that I'm sure that there is some pride involved in supporting the first African American Presidential candidate that has really been taken seriously.

It IS a very big deal. Racism has been a huge problem in this country. The fact that we are FINALLY to this point IS a monumental moment in history that should be celebrated.

The fact that we have a woman on the VP ticket is to be celebrated as well. (However, Ferraro was on the VP ticket during Mondale's campaign, and she was a serious candidate as well. It's too bad that Mondale had the charisma of a dead fish, and was running against Reagan..LOL)

That being said, however, I think it is important to note that Powell's endorsement of Obama was hardly based solely on race. As Powell said, himself, in the interview, if he were simply going to endorse the African American candidate, he would have done that when Obama first started to run. He didn't do that. He weighed the decision carefully, based on the merits of both candidates.
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liz3564 wrote:I knew the comment wasn't directed at me. You love me.


This is true. I do. :)

LOL I'm also an Obama supporter. :)


I just heard a good quote from Tom Leykis a few minutes ago on the radio. He said (and I'm sort of paraphrasing): "I want a president that is smarter than me. McCain isn't smarter than me. I don't want a president I can have a beer with, or shoot a moose with. I want the smart guy. That's Obama."
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GoodK wrote:Sorry - by "you people" I mean Kevin, BC, and AS8. You guys need help.

My racism? What?

Sexism? Probably.
Bigotry? Yes. I don't support gay marriage.
Racism? Huh?
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asbestosman wrote:
GoodK wrote:Sorry - by "you people" I mean Kevin, BC, and AS8. You guys need help.

My racism? What?


Since when do you post under the Avatar ANTISHOCK8 (AS8)?
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Re: Powell's endorsement of Obama

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GoodK wrote:Since when do you post under the Avatar ANTISHOCK8 (AS8)?


Ah, my bad. I thought you were saying ASB, not AS8. I think some Mavericky person tried to play a trick on my eyesight.
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The racism from the McCain/Palin crowd is astonishing. You people need help.


The majority of all racism now comes from the Democrats and the NAACP. Just playing the race card now days is racism.

Why should we believe that you are voting for McCain for any other reason besides his snowy complexion?


Because the expression of my conservative values is consistent. When Powell expresses (very moderate) conservative values and then goes on to endorse one of the most left-wing politicians running for President ever, when he goes on to brush aside the Ayers and ACORN association as if it were meaningless, then what has happened is that Powell has reduced himself to just another black person voting for a black person.

It IS a very big deal. Racism has been a huge problem in this country. The fact that we are FINALLY to this point IS a monumental moment in history that should be celebrated.


And voting for a black person simply because he is black is going to solve that? You just reduced yourself to a ditsy white woman voting because of white guilt.
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liz3564 wrote: Obama's economic plans make sense. I also support his stance on education funding, and his healthcare plan.


With McCain's health care plan, people would be falling through the cracks right and left. It has to be the most ill conceived of his proposals.
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However, a President needs to have a certain amount of charisma in order to effectively influence those he is trying to lead. Obama has that. Reagan had it. Kennedy had it.


Hitler had it. Mao had it. Castro has it. Chavez has it. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has it. Sounds like more white guilt and racism from the left "he's so articulate". lol Obama's charisma is not in question. Where he will lead us is and it's not to a good place.

With McCain's health care plan, people would be falling through the cracks right and left. It has to be the most ill conceived of his proposals.


In Obama's plan, everyone falls through the cracks. We are already supporting the world's health care system because we are the only ones who pay the price. When we stop paying the price, the system collapses. It's the reality of socialism. The best plan is to make the rest of the world pay the price and it gets lower for us and the rest of the world get's access to what they can't currently.
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Re: Powell's endorsement of Obama

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Democrats have made the charge of "racism" a thought-terminating cliché. It carries no weight.

Until assholes like GoodK and Chong-Gay and others live in my neighborhood, in my city, in my work situation then they have no right to accuse me of racism or bigotry or whatever. They're just little know-it-all assholes who live in their little ivory towers passing judgements on others.

Please. Come live where I live. Come to my town. Come to my work. Come to my life and accuse me of racism. What they'll see is reality. What is reality?

Well. You won't know. Because you'll stay there. Come live here. Then talk to me. Let's talk after you're here after a couple of years. Experience begets wisdom. Are you up of for it? Let's see... Let's see how "open-minded" you are. Come here. Ball is in your court. Come teach a class at our middle school. At our High School. At our College. Please. Come here. Learn. Experience. Stop talking. Start living what you preach.

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