Why I?????m Voting for Obama and Mormonism

[_The Dude]

Obama is the most intelligent candidate. Given their respective academic track records, this cannot be denied.

Obama has not released his college transcripts so how do you know this?

Figure this: Obama graduated from Columbia University with good enough grades to get into Harvard Law. McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy and thus ended his academic life.

[_antishock8]

Obama got into Harvard Law because of the community organizing work he did in Chicago and the fact that his father went to Harvard grad school.

OBAMA From Promise to Power" -David Mendell


edit: Obama made important contacts in Chicago before he was admitted to Harvard. He had graduated from Columbia in 1983, but was not accepted at Harvard until 1987.

edit2: ie... He's been groomed. It would be interesting to know who called who, and who essentially opened the door for him to go to Harvard.

[_richardMdBorn]

Figure this: Obama graduated from Columbia University with good enough grades to get into Harvard Law. McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy and thus ended his academic life.

Yes but whenever a conservative black is being discussed, we are told that but for affirmative action he could not have gotten to where he is today (Clarence Thomas for example). In the absence of grades, how do we know that Obama did not get into Harvard as a result of affirmative action rather than on merit. McCain did not need additional degrees for his career and life objectives. Also, class rank at the Naval Academy includes demerits in addition to class grades.

[_The Dude]

In the absence of grades, how do we know that Obama did not get into Harvard as a result of affirmative action rather than on merit.

Way to play the race card, Richard.

[_Tarski]

I agree with Analytics (about Obama and the market crisis).

Let me just add that while a very few of Obama's past associations can indeed seem troubling, I only have to notice that a very few of MCCain or Palin's associations are also troubling for different reasons. So I call that aspect a draw and move on to examining what they say now and how they handle themselves now.

Finally, (and jokingly) I cannot bring myself to vote the same way as these two pinheads:

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[_Analytics]

Obama is the better leader. If you compare how McCain and Obama ran their respective presidential campaigns, it is clear who had the steady hand

Sorry. Running a campaign is small potatoes in the over all scheme of showing one'e ability to lead.

Are you suggesting that McCain would run the country well even though he hasn't ran his campaign very well?

Obama ran a cleaner campaign. I used to really like John McCain, but his fear mongering tactics (e.g. pretending that Bill Ayers is an issue) have really turned me off.

I agree there but I think Obama's connections to Ayers and his pastor are and were fair game to bring up as far as understanding who Obama is and what kind of judgment he has. If Clinton had brought these up sooner she would be the nominee now.

In principle they are fair game. But the reality is that Ayers is a very minor character in Obama's past and there was nothing unseemly about their dealings. McCain campaign knows this, yet has been unconscionably using it play upon people’s fears and prejudices and portray Obama as a terrorist sympathizer, if not an actual terrorist.

Fiscal Responsibility. Obama has a specific plan for making Social Security solvent. He makes an issue of fiscal responsibility and is more willing to do responsible yet unpopular things in this area. McCain’s tactic of hacking at the leaves of earmarks, all the while maintaining a ridiculously expensive war and irresponsible tax cuts is something that we can’t afford.

If he has better plans for these things I have yet to see them. But both are dismal in my opinion as far as their economic plans go. However, we have I am starting to see just what a huge mess the past 16 years of leadership has got us into from all leaders....

You mean the last 28 years of leadership. I agree with you that we are in a huge mess right now, but its nature and causes different than almost everybody would have guessed. I think Obama has the better mind to figure this out, but hopefully McCain would hire the right advisors. I think the problem does need to be approached from an intelligent rather than ideological perspective.

[Guest]

Obama is the most intelligent candidate. Given their respective academic track records, this cannot be denied.

Obama is the better leader. If you compare how McCain and Obama ran their respective presidential campaigns, it is clear who had the steady hand.

Not possible for a Democrat these days. To support the left, one has to ignore what history has taught us in the last century..

Obama has better judgment. Obama is the only presidential candidate who picked a qualified vice-presidential nominee.

Palin has far more executive experience than Obama himself. Any brigand of the hills can label themselves a "community leader".

He’s the one who understands that we can’t afford the war in Iraq.

Our success in Iraq has proven this false. The only problem was figuring out how to do it. By your logic, Roosevelt should have been strung up for a failed Africa campaign. Yet another example of left-wingers not learning the lessons of history.

[_Analytics]

edit2: ie... He's been groomed. It would be interesting to know who called who, and who essentially opened the door for him to go to Harvard.

Obviously, it was a terrorist bent on destroying America who got Obama into Colombia and Harvard, elected Obama as the president of the Harvard Law Review, and landed him a job at the University of Chicago Law School.

[_bcspace]

Well, Obama IS a better liar. He does a pretty good job of duping the public into thinking he's a moderate. I wonder if the blue dogs will bite for him? I doubt it.

[_Analytics]

Not possible for a Democrat these days. To support the left, one has to ignore what history has taught us in the last century..

Out of morbid curiosity, what exactly has history taught us in the last century?

Palin has far more executive experience than Obama himself. Any brigand of the hills can label themselves a "community leader".

I'm still curious. Is this an example of an intellectual reason to vote for McCain--the type of reason that doesn't exist on the Obama side?

He’s the one who understands that we can’t afford the war in Iraq.

Our success in Iraq has proven this false. The only problem was figuring out how to do it. By your logic, Roosevelt should have been strung up for a failed Africa campaign. Yet another example of left-wingers not learning the lessons of history.

We "won" the war in Iraq! Yea! America kicks ass!

But that doesn't address my point. The point is, was it really the best way to spend so much American blood and a trillion dollars of our hard-earned money?

It seems that the most relevent lesson from history is that the high-price of military dominance is what kills super powers.