Live Argument from Oval Office

[_subgenius]

Trump just got into a heated argument with Schumer/Pelosi saying he would gladly shut down the government unless the House approves his $5 billion for the border wall.

https://Twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1072542053584777217

Theatrics. Mere theatrics.

The Cohen was anticlimactic.

[_Elphaba]

She was a driver and mechanic.

God save the Queen who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty!

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic? If not, what did you mean in your post?

If you were being sarcastic (I'm not saying you were--I just don't understand your point), I think it only fair to explain Elizabeth was not queen during World War II. When she trained to be a driver/mechanic, she was only 16 years old and her opportunities were very limited. Her father was reluctant to allow her to even do that, but she was resolved, and finally persuaded him to relent, which I suspect was quite a task in itself. She never would have been allowed to do anything more dangerous.

The point is, she could have done nothing, and she would have been supported in that. Instead, she CHOSE to contribute something to the war effort.

Trump also had a choice. He was 18 in 1964, obviously old enough to serve. He not only CHOSE to contribute nothing to the Vietnam War effort, he CHOSE deceitful ways to do so.

I'm fairly certain you already know all of this, which again, confuses me as to why you wrote what you did. An I missing something?

[_canpakes]

She was a driver and mechanic.

God save the Queen who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty!

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic? If not, what did you mean in your post?

If you were being sarcastic (I'm not saying you were--I just don't understand your point), I think it only fair to explain Elizabeth was not queen during World War II. When she trained to be a driver/mechanic, she was only 16 years old and her opportunities were very limited. Her father was reluctant to allow her to even do that, but she was resolved, and finally persuaded him to relent, which I suspect was quite a task in itself. She never would have been allowed to do anything more dangerous.

The point is, she could have done nothing, and she would have been supported in that. Instead, she CHOSE to contribute something to the war effort.

Trump also had a choice. He was 18 in 1964, obviously old enough to serve. He not only CHOSE to contribute nothing to the Vietnam War effort, he CHOSE deceitful ways to do so.

I'm fairly certain you already know all of this, which again, confuses me as to why you wrote what you did. An I missing something?

Elphaba, I'm reading this as Jersey Girl agreeing with your own thoughts, but with an economy of words dependent upon that well-known phrase.

I'll bet a well-worn three pence piece on it, anyway. : )

[_Jersey Girl]

She was a driver and mechanic.

God save the Queen who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty!

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic? If not, what did you mean in your post?

If you were being sarcastic (I'm not saying you were--I just don't understand your point), I think it only fair to explain Elizabeth was not queen during World War II. When she trained to be a driver/mechanic, she was only 16 years old and her opportunities were very limited. Her father was reluctant to allow her to even do that, but she was resolved, and finally persuaded him to relent, which I suspect was quite a task in itself. She never would have been allowed to do anything more dangerous.

The point is, she could have done nothing, and she would have been supported in that. Instead, she CHOSE to contribute something to the war effort.

Trump also had a choice. He was 18 in 1964, obviously old enough to serve. He not only CHOSE to contribute nothing to the Vietnam War effort, he CHOSE deceitful ways to do so.

I'm fairly certain you already know all of this, which again, confuses me as to why you wrote what you did. An I missing something?

Read Chap's post and then my reply directly to it. It sould make sense regarding his reference to bone spurs in WW2.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Did you guys notice Pence? Smooth as crap, just sitting there letting Trump rant and rave. Didn't say a word. Just biding his time....

- Doc

[_subgenius]

She was a driver and mechanic.

God save the Queen who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty!

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic? If not, what did you mean in your post?

If you were being sarcastic (I'm not saying you were--I just don't understand your point), I think it only fair to explain Elizabeth was not queen during World War II. When she trained to be a driver/mechanic, she was only 16 years old and her opportunities were very limited. Her father was reluctant to allow her to even do that, but she was resolved, and finally persuaded him to relent, which I suspect was quite a task in itself. She never would have been allowed to do anything more dangerous.

The point is, she could have done nothing, and she would have been supported in that. Instead, she CHOSE to contribute something to the war effort.

Trump also had a choice. He was 18 in 1964, obviously old enough to serve. He not only CHOSE to contribute nothing to the Vietnam War effort, he CHOSE deceitful ways to do so.

I'm fairly certain you already know all of this, which again, confuses me as to why you wrote what you did. An I missing something?

Meh, i don't see the comparison between UK Royalty and a NY real estate developer, nor between WW2 and the Vietnam conflict - in fact all of these seem dramatically distinct in culture, context, and circumstance. And to be fair, Elizabeth didn't exactly go down to a local recruiting office...her military position was an appointment with both her ranks being "honorary"...not that good PR was meaningful to the WW2 effort. So, perhaps dial it back on the whole which privileged child had the easier youth (and learn a little Welsh history as well) - geez.

[_Chap]

Meh, i don't see the comparison between UK Royalty and a New York real estate developer, nor between WW2 and the Vietnam conflict - in fact all of these seem dramatically distinct in culture, context, and circumstance. And to be fair, Elizabeth didn't exactly go down to a local recruiting office...her military position was an appointment with both her ranks being "honorary"...not that good PR was meaningful to the WW2 effort. So, perhaps dial it back on the whole which privileged child had the easier youth (and learn a little Welsh history as well) - geez.

Personally, I am not of the opinion that the British monarchy has a viable future in the medium to long term. I am in principle an anti-monarchist.

But as for the above eructation from subgenius: the young Elizabeth trained and actually worked as a motor mechanic and driver in WWII, against the wishes of her parents, in a city subject to aerial bombardment. She began this work as soon as she could at the age of 18, at her own insistence, partly no doubt motivated by the death of a beloved uncle on a secret mission, which appears to have been on its way to somewhere in Scandanavia.

That was a much more serious personal commitment to the national war effort than Donald Trump ever made. Trump's unwillingness to serve in any way that might inconvenience him, let alone put him at risk, was made clear by the fact that he had an expensive doctor diagnose him with bone spurs to get him off the draft.

It's basically this:

Young Elizabeth: My country is at war. My family is privileged by rank and birth. That imposes duties on me, and because of that I must do everything I can to help, to the maximum permitted.

Young Donald: My country is at war. My family is privileged by megabucks. Because of that I have lots of ways to make sure I save my sorry ass, so I can spend time using my money and power to have lots of sex. (Remember how he called STDs 'my Vietnam'?)

[_Elphaba]

Elphaba, I'm reading this as Jersey Girl agreeing with your own thoughts, but with an economy of words dependent upon that well-known phrase.

I'll bet a well-worn three pence piece on it, anyway. : )

Thanks for that canpakes. I see now I totally misread Jersey Girl's post. In fact, I inferred the opposite of what she intended. So, your perspective was very helpful and it makes sense to me now.

[_Elphaba]

Read Chap's post and then my reply directly to it. It sould make sense regarding his reference to bone spurs in WW2.

Thanks, Jersey Girl. I don't know why, but I read your post to mean exactly the opposite of what you actually meant. My only excuse is I went to the dentist yesterday and was in excruciating pain. Or . . . I'm just dumb like that.

[_Kevin Graham]

Everyone on social media has pretty much considered this "spat" a big win for Pelosi, seeing as it is the first time anyone has stood up to our Moron In Chief and she did it live.

Then over at FOX the subtext is "Trump Embarasses Pelosi."

All I saw was Trump making a fool of himself as usual. And his idiot VP was virtually comatose.