Republican Voters Must Be Embarrassed

[_Some Schmo]

It just occurred to me why I suspect some people are not giving me the full picture.

It's because they talk in the same hushed tones as people conversing publicly about religion. They say things without confidence, or without sounding committed to their assertions. It's the tone people use when "this is just a conversation for us - we don't need any outside influence" when what their real motivation seems to be is unconsciously acknowledging the embarrassment of the topic itself.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[If you elected Trump to build a wall, Trump has failed you. the Democrats sabotaged you.

If you elected Trump to slow immigration to a trickle, he the Democrats stabbed you in the back.

If you elected Trump to make you feel good about being a racist/xenophobe and maybe to see cruelty visited upon Hispanics/Latinos to Make America Great Again no matter your skin tone, then he’s doing great.

FTFY. Your unedited answers demonstrate an astonishing myopia and projection. Trump is beloved by his base, not due to your 'trumped' up fantasies, but because he's doing what he can despite Democrats standing in the way. They understand very acutely it's not Trump standing in Trump's way, but the Democrats. If they helped him fulfill his elected duties this country would reflect the values of his base. It's really just that simple.

- Doc

[_Chap]

he's doing what he can despite Democrats standing in the way. They understand very acutely it's not Trump standing in Trump's way, but the Democrats.

Remind me of what he did to build his wall when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress?

If they helped him fulfill his elected duties

Remind me of what the Republicans did to help Obama fulfil his elected duties?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Chap,

Remind me again of what Democrats did during their minority status to stop Trump and the GOP from building 'Trump's Wall'?

I mean, if we're going to have an honest exchange of information, we can begin there. If you're going to act like they weren't opposing his wall then we're just at an impasse.

Whatever the case may be, the point is Trump's voters are satisfied with his Presidency.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/pre ... Trump.aspx

2019 Mar 1-10 90% approval rating amongst the GOP.

And to make matters worse for people, like myself, who don't want Trump re-elected, he's the odd's on favorite by a pretty solid margin to win the 2020 Presidential election.

So. To OP's point. Are Republicans embarrassed by Trump? No. No way. Do they choose to act embarrassed or not to engage in political discussion with centrists, non-GOP types, and others? Yes. When faced with this kind of potential exchange:

I'd love to unload on someone live.

I'm sure they'd rather not experience that.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

he's doing what he can despite Democrats standing in the way. They understand very acutely it's not Trump standing in Trump's way, but the Democrats.

Remind me of what he did to build his wall when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress?

If they helped him fulfill his elected duties

Remind me of what the Republicans did to help Obama fulfil his elected duties?

His Base doesn’t care that he wasted the first two years. They don’t care if anything actually gets built, or if anything improves. They don’t care if all that he ever actually does is stay holed up in the White House watching Fox all day while letting ‘the swamp’ (a.k.a. Congress) implement whatever agenda that the Heritage Society and Sean Hannity think we should all be subject to. All that matters is that Trump occasionally pokes his head out and puts on a show for them, and they will eagerly swallow the BS and line up to enthusiastically vote for him.

These are folks with a rather huge, collective chip on their shoulder, and they’re looking to even the score. Not that they know what that really means anyway nor care to aim their ire at the correct target if they did; they just want to pop their guns off at anything not part of their perceived ingroup.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

His Base doesn’t care that he wasted the first two years. They don’t care if anything actually gets built, or if anything improves. They don’t care if all that he ever actually does is stay holed up in the White House watching Fox all day while letting ‘the swamp’ (a.k.a. Congress) implement whatever agenda that the Heritage Society and Sean Hannity think we should all be subject to. All that matters is that Trump occasionally pokes his head out and puts on a show for them, and they will eagerly swallow the BS and line up to enthusiastically vote for him.

These are folks with a rather huge, collective chip on their shoulder, and they’re looking to even the score. Not that they know what that really means anyway nor care to aim their ire at the correct target if they did; they just want to pop their guns off at anything not part of their perceived ingroup.

Canpakes,

I'm continually astonished at how people project onto Trump supporters their own narratives when in reality Trump supporters straight up tell us why they love him.

For example, subgenius proudly proclaimed Trump was instrumental in criminal justice reform, a matter he took great pride in. THAT is just one reason that many Trump supporters here and across the Internet have given as to why they love him.

I mean, even USA Today did a little asking around and came up with an article easily googled:

https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interact ... ?_k=xxzdol

A notorious racist said this about Trump:

HERMAN DELGADO

Texas

Age: 52

“I guess the stance he’s taken on closing the borders and enforcing, you know, an emphasis on homeland security, that’s my biggest thing with Donald Trump. We need somebody like that that is going to take a stance and do something about it and not just talk about it. Some people think I’m joking, some people think it’s funny, I’ve come across, where people think because I’m Hispanic I’m automatically a Democrat or that’s the way I’m going. It’s a stereotype. I’m more worried because, I mean, Trump, he’s a firecracker and, then again Hillary, that’s someone I would never vote for just because of trust issues with her. So, it’s scary, yes, it’s scary, we don’t know where we’re going from here.”

Anyway. The article does a pretty good job summarizing his electorate and why they support him. If I were a Democrat running for President I'd pay attention to this.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

[If you elected Trump to build a wall, Trump has failed you. the Democrats sabotaged you.

If you elected Trump to slow immigration to a trickle, he the Democrats stabbed you in the back.

If you elected Trump to make you feel good about being a racist/xenophobe and maybe to see cruelty visited upon Hispanics/Latinos to Make America Great Again no matter your skin tone, then he’s doing great.

Fixed it for you.

If by "fix" you mean, "demonstrated little to no understanding of how government works", then sure. Wall funding could've been accomplished through reconciliation which Democrats had zero power to stop. There were failed Republican efforts to do just that. Would some Trump voters blame Democrats anyway? Sure, that seems plausible. Is this an accurate picture of Trump's successes or failures as a political leader? No.

If Trump is unable to negotiate a deal for wall funding by giving up something of political value in compromise, which even Democrats were prepared to do mind you, when Republicans had full control of both the Senate and House, that suggests Trump has engaged in serious political failure. And Democrats have nothing to do with Trump's failure to get Mexico to pay for said wall.

If you want to go with, "It's the Democrats fault that they joined a minority of Republicans to form a majority of legislators that would not provide wall funding without concessions on issues like DACA, so Trump is the awesomest for doing his best!" be my guest. That does sound like something someone who has drunk deep from the Trump koolaid bowl would say. But it doesn't reflect whether a reasonable person should think that about Trump's successes as a political leader, which is what I was talking about.

"Trump has done great on "Southern border issues" so his voters should be happy" doesn't reflect his actual successes even on their own terms.

[_EAllusion]

For example, subgenius proudly proclaimed

And we all know that subgenius does nothing but engage in good faith discourse that is internally consistent with other statements he makes.

[_Kevin Graham]

Who is stupid enough to believe people who support a man for racist reasons are going to admit they support him for racist reasons?

Oh I know who.

[_Kevin Graham]

"Trump has done great on "Southern border issues" so his voters should be happy" doesn't reflect his actual successes even on their own terms.

Exactly, which is why you know their "reasons" for supporting him are complete BS. It is how we know people opposed Obama for racist reasons when all their purported reasons didn't hold water. All that was left that made sense was racism.

And I remember like it was yesterday, close friends of mine telling me they were going to vote for Trump simply because "he's not a politician." Their rationale was that Trump was more honest than politicians. Politicians will lie about things. Politicians will pretend to care about things. Politicians are easily corruptible and there are too many conflicts of interest.

So how do they respond two years later when it is a universal truth that Trump is all of that in spades?

All the lies he tells, suddenly becomes evidence of his genius.

And isn't it funny how Trump was an afterthought in the 2012 election, and he didn't become relevant until his racist Mexican speech that caused him to skyrocket in the polls and suddenly he's the new front runner? What, was he a "non-politician" in 2012 too? What changed? His promise to give white racist Americans a sense of control again. That's what changed.