I think he has a point that if your goal is pushing an agenda before comedy, you won't be funny. Acting like a douche bag is only funny if jokes are involved. All of the conservative "comedy" I've seen are basically them repeating imagined stereotypes of people they don't like. If the goal is to make yourself laugh because others didn't get your joke, you aren't in comedy.honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:06 amOne aspect of the video I found interesting that hasn't been touched on is the exploitation of the idea people don't find jokes funny that are about them but otherwise would if they weren't taking it personal.
It's an interesting breakdown of how bad joke telling and this sneering response of, "You just can't take a joke" work in tandem to enforce a political view of the other side. But what it can't do is make a bad joke funny.
Why Is Conservative Comedy So… Not Very Good?
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Comedy is destroyed by woke politics
https://youtu.be/kfhM2YzaY8w
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Overall the clip seemed more concerned with narrative than it was comedy. Over half the clip was about globalism and Jeff Bezos.Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:23 pmComedy is destroyed by woke politics
https://youtu.be/kfhM2YzaY8w
But I agree with what they said regarding comedy overall. Late Night talk shows WERE recycling the same clichéd Trump jokes. And comedy is, inherently, going to be in conflict with Woke culture...at least as far as Woke culture often fails to rise to an intellectual and principled case for expanded access to the rights we claim to be universal for all humankind.
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Honor, what are you trying to say?honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:34 pmOverall the clip seemed more concerned with narrative than it was comedy. Over half the clip was about globalism and Jeff Bezos.Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:23 pmComedy is destroyed by woke politics
https://youtu.be/kfhM2YzaY8w
But I agree with what they said regarding comedy overall. Late Night talk shows WERE recycling the same clichéd Trump jokes. And comedy is, inherently, going to be in conflict with Woke culture...at least as far as Woke culture often fails to rise to an intellectual and principled case for expanded access to the rights we claim to be universal for all humankind.
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The clip Atlanticmike shared was 3/4 about something other than comedy. The bit about comedy wasn't terrible but tangential to the overall narrative direction of the conversation they were having.Cultellus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:46 pmHonor, what are you trying to say?honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:34 pm
Overall the clip seemed more concerned with narrative than it was comedy. Over half the clip was about globalism and Jeff Bezos.
But I agree with what they said regarding comedy overall. Late Night talk shows WERE recycling the same clichéd Trump jokes. And comedy is, inherently, going to be in conflict with Woke culture...at least as far as Woke culture often fails to rise to an intellectual and principled case for expanded access to the rights we claim to be universal for all humankind.
It wasn't a coherent discussion. It was a slow burn version of your grumpy uncle who starts telling a story that reminds him of a slight he suffered that then detours hard into an angry rant tangent about the terrible person who wronged him.
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Maybe I'm overthinking it. I think there's something about the sneer vs. satire. A good barometer of hubris is how much you can laugh at your own foibles.honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:58 amCody gets into that using The Onion as an example of humor that takes shots at both sides politically. He also mocks comedians whose schtick was mocking Trump tropes since they aren't funny as jokes so much as an agreed upon sneer. That being one of the main issues he calls out with right-wing comedians who aren't being funny.
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Good punchlines elicit a bit of surprise. Its hard to tell a joke to the same audience and keep it funny. Sneers are just pointing to something everyone already believes or thinks and sayings, "Here's so and so doing that thing they do. Snicker." When that same sneer has become stale yet still put on repeat the point isn't comedy. It's enforcing the subject of the sneer. It's part of the propaganda.MeDotOrg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:46 pmMaybe I'm overthinking it. I think there's something about the sneer vs. satire. A good barometer of hubris is how much you can laugh at your own foibles.honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:58 amCody gets into that using The Onion as an example of humor that takes shots at both sides politically. He also mocks comedians whose schtick was mocking Trump tropes since they aren't funny as jokes so much as an agreed upon sneer. That being one of the main issues he calls out with right-wing comedians who aren't being funny.
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Imma try my hand at an anti-joke:
A schizophrenic, an autist, and a mentally incapacitated man enter a Trump rally.
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Media or not media?Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:48 pmImma try my hand at an anti-joke:
A schizophrenic, an autist, and a mentally incapacitated man enter a Trump rally.
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Ended up watching that whole video. It could be exhausting, but great points all the way through.
I thought a miss was that self-deprecating humor works the best in stand-up and comedy skits. That was the obvious difference between examples he gave of conservative humor that worked vs. the newer American stuff that doesn't. I was happy to see he wasn't really taken by SNL political stuff.
memes are different. I remember Doc Cam showing examples of conservative memes vs. memes making fun of conservatives; memes make sense attacking your opponent. But conservative memes aren't funny either.
I thought a miss was that self-deprecating humor works the best in stand-up and comedy skits. That was the obvious difference between examples he gave of conservative humor that worked vs. the newer American stuff that doesn't. I was happy to see he wasn't really taken by SNL political stuff.
memes are different. I remember Doc Cam showing examples of conservative memes vs. memes making fun of conservatives; memes make sense attacking your opponent. But conservative memes aren't funny either.
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