Progressive cult members showing how brainwashed they really are!

[canpakes]

What Shapiro ignores is the fact that getting COVID while vaxxed means you're FAR LESS LIKELY TO GET SICK

Ben has always encouraged getting vaccinated and stated that if you're vaccinated getting Covid is likely to be nothing more than a mild cold.

OK. Sounds good. So, what’s riling Ben up about suggestions that folks get vaccinated, if vaccination stands a good chance of making your inevitable infection much milder in symptoms? Is he just confused about his own messaging?

OR SPREAD IT.

But vaccinated people most certainly are spreading omicron. How else has Omicron spread through Great Britain Chap, given that most Brits are vaccinated? Masks don't appear to do much to stop the spread of Omicron either.

Can you tell me what the real issue is with preventive measures that aren’t 100% effective?

You take multiple ‘preventive measures’ against any number of things happening, every day of your life. Many of them are not 100% effective, but you still exercise caution. That being the case, why have you seized upon masks as intolerable?

[MeDotOrg]

Some observations about the word cult:

The word cult means a shared system of belief. The Catholic Church is a cult. But we usually use the word to describe a system of belief that is outside the mainstream. The word 'cult' implies 'the other', not just how what they believe about you, but what you believe about them.

Now you may describe a group of people who are trying to make decisions on the basis of epidemiology and biology as a cult. You may describe a group of people waiting for John F. Kennedy to become incarnate on November 22nd as a cult. All things being equal, they are both cults.

But not all things are equal.

[Chap]

But vaccinated people most certainly are spreading omicron. How else has Omicron spread through Great Britain Chap, given that most Brits are vaccinated?

F Ajax's I:

The fraction of people vaccinated with two shots in the UK is just under 70%. That does not protect well against omicron.

Only 40% to date have had the booster as well, which gives a good level of protection against serious illness from omicron or hospitalisation (that includes me I am glad to say). The remaining 60% is plenty of space for the omicron virus to spread, especially in London where many of the unvaccinated are concentrated.

[ajax18]

OK. Sounds good. So, what’s riling Ben up about suggestions that folks get vaccinated, if vaccination stands a good chance of making your inevitable infection much milder in symptoms? Is he just confused about his own messaging?

There's a big difference between telling people not to get the vaccine or refusing it yourself and taking the vaccine but believing the government shouldn't be able to force people to get it. According to Websters dictionary both groups of people are considered anti-vaxxers.

Can you tell me what the real issue is with preventive measures that aren’t 100% effective?

What these measures have done to the economy is a big issue! The masks are certainly a huge burden in my job.

You take multiple ‘preventive measures’ against any number of things happening, every day of your life. Many of them are not 100% effective, but you still exercise caution. That being the case, why have you seized upon masks as intolerable?

I personally am tired of parents asking me to let their kid keep his cloth mask on for protection even though it fogs the lenses up completely as soon as he says 1 or 2. Even if you don't go to bars, having them shut down around the world hurt all of us in the pocket book. COVID didn't cause the inflation, supply chain crisis, or global economic recession we're in. An over the top response by government bureaucrets caused that.

We've gotten the common cold for years. When did we ever accuse people of having blood on their hands for going to work, attending a family Christmas, or a little girl going maskless at school because her glasses fog up so bad that she can't see the board?

[Chap]

We've gotten the common cold for years. When did we ever accuse people of having blood on their hands for going to work, attending a family Christmas, or a little girl going maskless at school because her glasses fog up so bad that she can't see the board?

Nobody dies from the common cold, or is long-term incapacitated by it. Nobody with the common cold takes up an ICU bed, and so on.

I can easily adjust my mask so it does not fog up my glasses. So can anybody else who cares to try.

[K Graham]

There's a big difference between telling people not to get the vaccine or refusing it yourself and taking the vaccine but believing the government shouldn't be able to force people to get it. According to Websters dictionary both groups of people are considered anti-vaxxers.

Shapiro is not only a liar, but also a hypocrite (and I notice you haven't even tried to address the lies noted above). As are the dozen of FOX News people who refuse to say whether they're vaccinated. They are, but that runs contrary to the narrative they're pushing. Shapiro is a dsiingenuous hack who wails and moand about the government forcing things as if forcing vaccinations on those who work for the Federal government is somehow "tyranny." But he's too stupid to understand the Federal Government has been mandating vaccinations since 1777 and this has withstood every challenge and has been upheld by the Supreme Court numerous times. This means it is 100% Constitutional, which means Shapiro and his idiot base are wrong to keep talking about it being unconstitutional. It isn't. It's perfectly legal, and thus his problem is with the Constitution, not Biden. He's a hypocrite for never once standing up against mandated vaccines for the dozen or so illnesses we've all been forced to take for more than a century now. He's only whining about COVID because4 it serves his political agenda since Biden is President. If Trump were President and he was forcing vaccinations for EVERYONE, not just Fed Employees, but rather EVERYONE, then Shapiro and his idiot followers would be arguing the importance of following Lord Trump's mandates as a way to save lives.

What these measures have done to the economy is a big issue! The masks are certainly a huge burden in my job.

Masks do nothing to hinder the economy. Nothing. That's just an inconvenience for people like you, but they serve to save lives. And if you're still trying to argue two years into the pandemic that masks don't help mitigate spread, then you're part of the problem.

COVID didn't cause the inflation, supply chain crisis, or global economic recession we're in.

What a spectacularly stupid remark. Do tell ajax, what caused all those things? Your belief that the response to COVID was "over the top" is one made in absolute ignorance. Literally millions of lives have been saved thanks to mitigation efforts, but you don't believe it because your preachers at Brietbart and Daily Caller are pushing a completely different political agenda.

You reject science. Face it. You do and so does Shapiro. You hate science and have turned it into your political/governmental boogeyman. You hate all the scientific studies that prove you're 20-40 times more likely to die from COVID if you don't get vaccinated, you reject out of hand all the studies that prove you're far more likely to spread it if you're not vaccinated, the studies that prove mask usage helps mitigate spread, social distancing, etc etc.

We've gotten the common cold for years. When did we ever accuse people of having blood on their hands for going to work, attending a family Christmas, or a little girl going maskless at school because her glasses fog up so bad that she can't see the board?

You have blood on your hands because we're pushing a million deaths in the USA alone because idiots like you keep spreading false information about the efficacy of vaccines while at the same time DOWNPLAYING the seriousness and severity of the virus. Referencing the flu, which kills in one year as much as COVID has killed in two weeks, makes you look like a clown.

The fact is, if we were able to vaccinate 75% of the country by July and have 95% of the country vaccinated by Christmas, COVID would be for the most part, put well behind us. We couldn't do that however because the Right Wing in America is full of morons who care more about sticking it to Biden than they do the lives of their own base. You have all fought tooth and nail against any and all mitigation measures because they come from your boogeyman, the "GubeRmiNT"...

COVID is however, an issue globally as many smaller, poorer countries lack access to immunizations and a spokesperson for the WHO just said we cannot "Boost" our way out of the pandemic. We have to get the entire world vaccinated first.

[K Graham]

But vaccinated people most certainly are spreading omicron.

But they're not spreading it as quickly as someone who isn't vaccinated. Get it? Are you so effing stupid that you don't know what mitigation means?

The fact is a fully vaccinated person is far less likely to contract COVID, spread COVID, get sick from COVID, or die from COVID. This is just an established fact you refuse to accept because it upsets virtually everything Shapiro is lying about.

[canpakes]

OK. Sounds good. So, what’s riling Ben up about suggestions that folks get vaccinated, if vaccination stands a good chance of making your inevitable infection much milder in symptoms? Is he just confused about his own messaging?

There's a big difference between telling people not to get the vaccine or refusing it yourself and taking the vaccine but believing the government shouldn't be able to force people to get it. According to Websters dictionary both groups of people are considered anti-vaxxers.

That doesn’t answer the question of what’s riling Ben up. What is his issue? That vaccine mandates should not exist at all, or just not exist for COVID? Or that some folks insist on being vaccinated no matter how often his media friends try to convince them otherwise? Or something else?

And, why be bothered by the Webster’s definition, even if he quibbles with the application to folks who will willingly be vaccinated but don’t believe that there should be a mandate on vaccines?

Can you tell me what the real issue is with preventive measures that aren’t 100% effective?

What these measures have done to the economy is a big issue! The masks are certainly a huge burden in my job.

No doubt it may be a burden, for your particular work situation. I’d imagine that short of being a dentist, masks affect your work more than most others. It doesn’t seem to prevent you from doing it, though. And the job performance or burden for most other folks will likely not be affected by wearing a mask or not. They’re certainly a bit of a nuisance at times but hardly debilitating. Use any number of Asian nations as an example of a culture that seems to have adapted well to voluntary mask use while still performing their occupations or leisure tasks.

You take multiple ‘preventive measures’ against any number of things happening, every day of your life. Many of them are not 100% effective, but you still exercise caution. That being the case, why have you seized upon masks as intolerable?

I personally am tired of parents asking me to let their kid keep his cloth mask on for protection even though it fogs the lenses up completely as soon as he says 1 or 2. Even if you don't go to bars, having them shut down around the world hurt all of us in the pocket book. COVID didn't cause the inflation, supply chain crisis, or global economic recession we're in. An over the top response by government bureaucrets caused that.

Masks didn’t cause the inflation, supply chain crisis, or global economic recession we're in, either. Neither did vaccination. Maybe Ben is paying attention to the wrong thing?

We've gotten the common cold for years. When did we ever accuse people of having blood on their hands for going to work, attending a family Christmas, or a little girl going maskless at school because her glasses fog up so bad that she can't see the board?

The common cold hasn’t, as far as I can recollect, threatened to overwhelm your local hospital with folks who need critical care. And no one has ever proposed preventing you - or anyone - from having a family Christmas gathering, let alone attempted to enact a policy designed to enforce that.

[ajax18]

If Trump were President and he was forcing vaccinations for EVERYONE, not just Fed Employees, but rather EVERYONE, then Shapiro and his idiot followers would be arguing the importance of following Lord Trump's mandates as a way to save lives.

Kind of like the skepticism Kamala Harris promoted about a vaccine developed under President Trump.

[Gadianton]

Well, somebody is lying. I'll give you a hint, the person who is lying is a Republican. lol.

There's a big difference between telling people not to get the vaccine or refusing it yourself and taking the vaccine but believing the government shouldn't be able to force people to get it. According to Websters dictionary both groups of people are considered anti-vaxxers.

True, but that's not what Ben said, according to you. Who is lying, Ajax, you or Ben, or both?

...Webster's online dictionary changed the definition of antivax from does not like vaccines to opposes vaccine mandates.

Are you sure you aren't ben? You both sound like desperate eight-year-olds. Although to Ben's credit, he's making a lot of money off of his fellow eight-year-old dupes. He's making a lot of money off of people like you. You cry for no benefit.

Anyway, which is it, Ajax, did Websters change the definition to be both, or change the definition from a person who doesn't like vaccines to a person who opposes mandates?

Once you're done lying, you may choose to continue on, if you wish.

The present definition is both:

: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

This means that Ben lied.

Ben lied, but knowing that you get your ass kicked so easily here, you quickly looked it up, and cited it as both, but making it sound like you and Ben are saying the same thing, which is false.

According to the way-back-machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181128120 ... nti-vaxxer

In 2018, which is the earliest archive I see:

: a person who opposes vaccination or laws that mandate vaccination

Ah-hah. So it's the exact opposite of what a filthy liar would say, right? It used to be referring to vaccine laws and mandates only, and now has been updated to include people who also personally oppose it, as the word has evolved within society.

In the 2018 version, it even gives the context of the definition, going back to 2009 to the first (apparently) known use. It clearly indicates hostility to vaccine laws.