Therapeutics and Vaccines 4.0 Discuss

[Binger]

This is where we can talk about therapeutics and vaccines and we can talk about talking about vaccines and therapeutics.



Please observe the existing rules and the rules we will get soon, k?

Dear Mr. Binger. Let's say in five years from now I've received a shot every six months (to stay up to date) which means I've received around 13 shots over a six year period. Is the shot still going to be considered a vaccine? When is a vaccine not actually a vaccine?

Even though it is your body, Mr. AtlanticMike, that is not for you to decide. It is a vaccine when you are told it is a vaccine and will be considered a vaccine for as long as you are told it is a vaccine. If the vaccine allows you to get the virus and spread the virus, then please get the vaccine and avoid others who are also not protected by their vaccines.

Thank you for asking these questions. I am empathetic to your concerns.

What else would you like to know about the thirteen shots that you will get?

[K Graham]

Oh gee guess what, natural immunity must not exist at all. New study shows how people are getting reinfected with COVID a second time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32vDjyNE-M&t=320s

[Binger]

Oh gee guess what, natural immunity must not exist at all. New study shows how people are getting reinfected with COVID a second time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32vDjyNE-M&t=320s

K Graham, would you like to talk about this in more detail? So your concern is that you or someone you love could be reinfected with COVID. Am I understanding your concern correctly? Are you somewhere where your feelings are safe?

[Binger]

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[Res Ipsa]

Oh gee guess what, natural immunity must not exist at all. New study shows how people are getting reinfected with COVID a second time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32vDjyNE-M&t=320s

Reinfection isn't new. My understanding is that, up through Delta, infection resulted in pretty effective immunity for at least 12 months. Something like 85%.

Omicron is different because it's mutations allow it to evade immunity, both natural and from vaccination. Omicron appears to confer pretty effective immunity against Delta, but not the other way around. It's probably too early to have a handle on the effectiveness of the immune response that Omicron generates for reinfection with Omicron.

I'm assuming your "not exist at all" was ironic. I stumbled upon this journal article, which I thought addressed communication issues and the politically driven divide over COVID 19 issues pretty well. Some of the science is a little outdated (six months ago, and this stuff moves fast), but I think the thesis of the piece holds up pretty well. https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/ ... 21-06357-4 It addresses the false dichotomies that have been presented in terms of how to deal with COVID. It's long, but I found the whole thing interesting.

[Binger]

Some of the science is a little outdated (six months ago, and this stuff moves fast)

I wonder if I will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.
I wonder if you will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.

[Res Ipsa]

Some of the science is a little outdated (six months ago, and this stuff moves fast)

I wonder if I will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.
I wonder if you will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.

No idea as to either. You see something in my post that I don’t. Mind cluing me in?

[Binger]

I wonder if I will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.
I wonder if you will have friends if I acknowledge the greatness of this sentence.

No idea as to either. You see something in my post that I don’t. Mind cluing me in?

Sure. Science is cool. I use forms of science and math in my work daily. But science is not the be all - end all. Science will never be sufficient to guide choices and trade-offs. Six months and a year ago, "Stay Calm, Follow the Science" was a common meme, theme and mantra. It was sacrilege to question science or consider one trade-off or judgment differently in the face of existing science.

Turns out the information that scientists were learning, from their use of science, was changing rapidly and continues to change. It is okay now, apparently, to acknowledge the fallibility or evolution of science without being a mouth-breathing heretic and killer. Your friends may not like that.

Or, said another way, if we had followed different science at different times we may have been just as well of as if we had followed the wrong science or the right science. And in a pandemic, six months is a long damn time and the science changes a lot.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I know I’m talking into the wind, but If there’d been no vaccination program, daily deaths from COVID-19 would’ve jumped to nearly 4,500 deaths per day during a second “2021 spring surge” — eclipsing the observed daily peak of 4,000 during the first 2021 winter surge. Also. People are still being encouraged to wear a mask, socially distance, etc. People simply aren’t doing it for a variety of reasons, and now we’re seeing the results of individual policy trumping social policy.

What the right-wing is doing is just more wish fulfillment which is simply ignoring reality and thus their bs becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s only been explained to these anti-vaxxer halfwits and muh-freedom doomers a million times, so at this point governments are giving up. <- That is not a victory.

- Doc

[Binger]

I know I’m talking into the wind, but If there’d been no vaccination program, daily deaths from COVID-19 would’ve jumped to nearly 4,500 deaths per day during a second “2021 spring surge” — eclipsing the observed daily peak of 4,000 during the first 2021 winter surge. Also. People are still being encouraged to wear a mask, socially distance, etc. People simply aren’t doing it for a variety of reasons, and now we’re seeing the results of individual policy trumping social policy.

What the right-wing is doing is just more wish fulfillment which is simply ignoring reality and thus their bs becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s only been explained to these anti-vaxxer halfwits and muh-freedom doomers a million times, so at this point governments are giving up. <- That is not a victory.

- Doc

What governments are giving up?