"How many people do you know who've been shot dead by criminals"? I've had these kinds of conversations probably a dozen times over the past few decades and I'm not exaggerating when I say NO ONE could name a single instance of that happening to them or anyone they knew.
You have never asked me. But if you did, the answer would absolutely not be zero.
I do not dispute your experience with the question. I believe you. I would never question anyone's answer to the question. But I am saying, that if you asked me, the answer is not zero. I have had the phone ring at my home in the middle of the night to hear that they found the body. We do not all have the same experience or the same circumstances.
"How many people do you know who've been shot dead by criminals"? I've had these kinds of conversations probably a dozen times over the past few decades and I'm not exaggerating when I say NO ONE could name a single instance of that happening to them or anyone they knew.
You have never asked me. But if you did, the answer would absolutely not be zero.
I do not dispute your experience with the question. I believe you. I would never question anyone's answer to the question. But I am saying, that if you asked me, the answer is not zero. I have had the phone ring at my home in the middle of the night to hear that they found the body. We do not all have the same experience or the same circumstances.
And 37% of all gun violence is from homicide, so yes, naturally there will be many people in society who personally knew those victims. My point wasn't that it never happens, only that it is is far more uncommon than people think. But I suspect one of the reasons why I don't know of any examples is because I have always lived something of a privileged life, far removed from areas that are known for such crime. So maybe someone living in the projects has more reason to own a gun. But for the gun worshipping neighbors living to the left and right of me, they're likely never to see anything like an armed home invasion. It is disturbing to me to know just how many guns they have so close to my family. Keeping a shotgun in the garage is necessary for what? A zombie apocalypse?
Last year we heard a gunshot and the neighborhood Facebook page went nuts trying to figure out what happened. One neighbor posted that he was shooting at a coyote in his backyard. There are no coyotes here, and even if there were, it is against city ordinance to fire a gun within the city of Woodstock. What happens when a stray bullet goes through the trees and hits a kid in the neighborhood behind him? We've lived in this neighborhood since 2017 when it was first built, and the only time cops come here is because of domestic situations. And they're always here within 2 minutes of the call.
Apparently the father had his gun in a vise while cleaning it and the son startled him. He stuck his head around the opened door and said "Boo," at which point the gun fired and killed her brother instantly.
Nothing about that makes any sense. I’m not calling bs, I’m not. I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense.
You have never asked me. But if you did, the answer would absolutely not be zero.
I do not dispute your experience with the question. I believe you. I would never question anyone's answer to the question. But I am saying, that if you asked me, the answer is not zero. I have had the phone ring at my home in the middle of the night to hear that they found the body. We do not all have the same experience or the same circumstances.
And 37% of all gun violence is from homicide, so yes, naturally there will be many people in society who personally knew those victims. My point wasn't that it never happens, only that it is is far more uncommon than people think. But I suspect one of the reasons why I don't know of any examples is because I have always lived something of a privileged life, far removed from areas that are known for such crime. So maybe someone living in the projects has more reason to own a gun. But for the gun worshipping neighbors living to the left and right of me, they're likely never to see anything like an armed home invasion. It is disturbing to me to know just how many guns they have so close to my family. Keeping a shotgun in the garage is necessary for what? A zombie apocalypse?
Last year we heard a gunshot and the neighborhood Facebook page went nuts trying to figure out what happened. One neighbor posted that he was shooting at a coyote in his backyard. There are no coyotes here, and even if there were, it is against city ordinance to fire a gun within the city of Woodstock. What happens when a stray bullet goes through the trees and hits a kid in the neighborhood behind him? We've lived in this neighborhood since 2017 when it was first built, and the only time cops come here is because of domestic situations. And they're always here within 2 minutes of the call.
First, I have to say something because I started laughing when you said there's no coyotes in your neighborhood. Yes there is!! There's coyotes in New York City, trust me, there's coyotes in Georgia, geeeez.
Have you ever asked yourself why you're so obsessed with guns? Your scared of your neighbor having guns but I guarantee you're not scared of the swimming pool in their backyard. Why should your neighbor be allowed to have a deadly swimming pool? How bout the fact that they possibly drink alcohol? Are you scared of them consuming to much alcohol and driving, possibly killing a neighbor? How bout bathtubs? If we out law bathtubs 90 kids a year will be saved. How bout cleaning solution? Why not outlaw cleaning solutions so children won't be poisoned? Are you willing to have a countrywide speed limit of 25mph if it saves hundreds of lives from dpeefing deaths? How bout knives, you willing to outlaw knives? How bout fist? Bats? Tire irons? Stairs in two story houses? You need to ask yourself why you're so obsessed with wanting to outlaw one of our basic God given rights to protect ourselves and family. I already know why you feel the way you do, now you need to figure out why.
Kevin, your obsessed with guns!! You need to stop watching the news.
Apparently the father had his gun in a vise while cleaning it and the son startled him. He stuck his head around the opened door and said "Boo," at which point the gun fired and killed her brother instantly.
Nothing about that makes any sense. I’m not calling bs, I’m not. I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense.
- Doc
I dunno. All I know is what she told me. He was cleaning the gun and it went off when his son popped in. Of course she is only saying what her Dad said happened.
"I am not an American ... In my view premarital sex should be illegal" - Ajax18
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense to say people who don't arm themselves are terrified of something. Common sense says the opposite is true.
idiot also says my post is based on something I saw on the news! This post was in response to a real life experience that just happened, as anyone with minimal comprehension could gather from what I wrote.
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"I am not an American ... In my view premarital sex should be illegal" - Ajax18
Nothing about that makes any sense. I’m not calling bs, I’m not. I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense.
- Doc
I dunno. All I know is what she told me. He was cleaning the gun and it went off when his son popped in. Of course she is only saying what her Dad said happened.
I know. Of course you wouldn't clean a loaded gun, but still. Your point about accidents is well taken.
My question was how many of his children had to accidentally die at his hands before he realizes that maybe the costs of owning 200 guns in a 1800 sq ft home isn't worth whatever benefits you think you're getting out of it.
Exactly. when my kids were born my gun went into deep hiding. I don't think I even looked at it for maybe 15 years. Finally, when my nephew (NYC cop, retired now and living upstate) invited my boys up for some target practice, I brought it with us. My boys were in shock to find out I owned a gun. I just consider it 15 years of ZERO probability of it being involved in an accident. Even now, it's in a locked case, with a trigger lock on it, in a locked closet, with ammunition stored in a separate, also locked container. Maybe when they are older I might get back into it as a hobby, but not yet.
I dunno. All I know is what she told me. He was cleaning the gun and it went off when his son popped in. Of course she is only saying what her Dad said happened.
I know. Of course you wouldn't clean a loaded gun, but still. Your point about accidents is well taken.
My question was how many of his children had to accidentally die at his hands before he realizes that maybe the costs of owning 200 guns in a 1800 sq ft home isn't worth whatever benefits you think you're getting out of it.
Exactly. when my kids were born my gun went into deep hiding. I don't think I even looked at it for maybe 15 years. Finally, when my nephew (NYC cop, retired now and living upstate) invited my boys up for some target practice, I brought it with us. My boys were in shock to find out I owned a gun. I just consider it 15 years of ZERO probability of it being involved in an accident. Even now, it's in a locked case, with a trigger lock on it, in a locked closet, with ammunition stored in a separate, also locked container. Maybe when they are older I might get back into it as a hobby, but not yet.
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