Whoopi makes a mess

[Res Ipsa]

Did she make the appearance on Colbert before or after the network handed her the suspension? This is getting curiouser.

I think she made the statement on the view then taped Colbert later in the day. Next day she apologizes on the View, then the Colbert show is assured. Then second apology.

I was skimming though, so I could have it wrong.

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I think it may have come from something simpler than that. I think it may have come from a lack of education.

Agreed. She's an actress, playing the part of a critical thinker, on a show where the dialog is improvised. What do we expect? I love hearing from groups of friends at dinner parties, because they are friends first, and not necessarily expected to be experts, but hearing from actors on a talk show is a poor imitation of events like that. Actors and athletes are known for their craft or sport, it's no surprise they regularly get into trouble over improvised critical thinking. Or, for the exact opposite of critical thinking, stuff they post on tik tok and (mostly) twittr.

I agree — lack of education likely had an effect. But the notion that whites can’t be the target of racism want something she just made up. She picked it up somewhere.

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She was very clear on her logic. She sees race exclusively in terms of skin color.

That's the way it seems to me. She said basically that this was about 'two lots of white people', so it couldn't have been about race'. For her, race is about what white people do to black people.

I have to say that, given the history of black people in America, it is not surprising that a black person might think that way. She was wrong, of course, and also ignorant of Nazi racist notions about the Jews as an inferior race. But I think that she was ignorant rather than malicious, and I doubt very much whether her careless statement had anything whatsoever to do with something as highfalutin' as a 'theory' of any kind, whether 'critical' or otherwise.

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I wondered where this idea came from. After a little digging, I think it’s a failure of some proponents of critical race theory to properly consider intersectionality and anti-semitism. That results in a fairly superficial treatment of Jews.

You know when I first read Whoopi's comments I admit I first thought. That doesn't sound that bad. Maybe she's finally trying to move past race. But that's the problem. Whoopi Goldberg has never been about moving past race. Racism is a power wielded by wealthy people like her and Ibram X. Kenadi that they will never give up, nor will it ever be over.

The idea is that racism against Jews can only come from a race that is higher on the totem pole. This is why the mainstream media only covers antisemitism when it's poor white trash with swastikas tatooed on their face. If Ilhan Omar spouts the same antisemitic rhetoric, it's not considered racism because she's from a race that is lower on the totem pole than a Jew. It doesn't matter that from a standpoint of capacity to do harm a sitting US senator has far more capacity to do so than 20 undereducated and underemployed white men "peacefully" assembling in Tampa Bay.

Anyways, I thinking Whoopi’s statement stems from something she read or heard in the context of critical race theory. She was repeating what I think is bad take on critical race theory, which likely contributed to her inability to explain herself.

No Whoopi read critical race theory right. Honestly I'm amazed they even suspended her. It's really rare that "consequence" culture applies to the left.

[Res Ipsa]

I wondered where this idea came from. After a little digging, I think it’s a failure of some proponents of critical race theory to properly consider intersectionality and anti-semitism. That results in a fairly superficial treatment of Jews.

You know when I first read Whoopi's comments I admit I first thought. That doesn't sound that bad. Maybe she's finally trying to move past race. But that's the problem. Whoopi Goldberg has never been about moving past race. Racism is a power wielded by wealthy people like her and Ibram X. Kenadi that they will never give up, nor will it ever be over.

The idea is that racism against Jews can only come from a race that is higher on the totem pole. This is why the mainstream media only covers antisemitism when it's poor white trash with swastikas tatooed on their face. If Ilhan Omar spouts the same antisemitic rhetoric, it's not considered racism because she's from a race that is lower on the totem pole than a Jew. It doesn't matter that from a standpoint of capacity to do harm a sitting US senator has far more capacity to do so than 20 undereducated and underemployed white men "peacefully" assembling in Tampa Bay.

Anyways, I thinking Whoopi’s statement stems from something she read or heard in the context of critical race theory. She was repeating what I think is bad take on critical race theory, which likely contributed to her inability to explain herself.

No Whoopi read critical race theory right. Honestly I'm amazed they even suspended her. It's really rare that "consequence" culture applies to the left.

The left imposes consequences on its own much more frequently than does the right. Al Franken resigned. Matt Gaetz???

[Res Ipsa]

I wondered where this idea came from. After a little digging, I think it’s a failure of some proponents of critical race theory to properly consider intersectionality and anti-semitism. That results in a fairly superficial treatment of Jews.

You know when I first read Whoopi's comments I admit I first thought. That doesn't sound that bad. Maybe she's finally trying to move past race. But that's the problem. Whoopi Goldberg has never been about moving past race. Racism is a power wielded by wealthy people like her and Ibram X. Kenadi that they will never give up, nor will it ever be over.

The idea is that racism against Jews can only come from a race that is higher on the totem pole. This is why the mainstream media only covers antisemitism when it's poor white trash with swastikas tatooed on their face. If Ilhan Omar spouts the same antisemitic rhetoric, it's not considered racism because she's from a race that is lower on the totem pole than a Jew. It doesn't matter that from a standpoint of capacity to do harm a sitting US senator has far more capacity to do so than 20 undereducated and underemployed white men "peacefully" assembling in Tampa Bay.

Anyways, I thinking Whoopi’s statement stems from something she read or heard in the context of critical race theory. She was repeating what I think is bad take on critical race theory, which likely contributed to her inability to explain herself.

No Whoopi read critical race theory right. Honestly I'm amazed they even suspended her. It's really rare that "consequence" culture applies to the left.

by the way, based on my reading, I don't think Kendi ascribes to the view that racism is only racism if it is down the totem pole.

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Agreed. She's an actress, playing the part of a critical thinker, on a show where the dialog is improvised. What do we expect? I love hearing from groups of friends at dinner parties, because they are friends first, and not necessarily expected to be experts, but hearing from actors on a talk show is a poor imitation of events like that. Actors and athletes are known for their craft or sport, it's no surprise they regularly get into trouble over improvised critical thinking. Or, for the exact opposite of critical thinking, stuff they post on tik tok and (mostly) twittr.

I agree — lack of education likely had an effect. But the notion that whites can’t be the target of racism want something she just made up. She picked it up somewhere.

I think she picked it up living as a Black woman in America.

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She was very clear on her logic. She sees race exclusively in terms of skin color.

That's the way it seems to me. She said basically that this was about 'two lots of white people', so it couldn't have been about race'. For her, race is about what white people do to black people.

I have to say that, given the history of black people in America, it is not surprising that a black person might think that way. She was wrong, of course, and also ignorant of Nazi racist notions about the Jews as an inferior race. But I think that she was ignorant rather than malicious, and I doubt very much whether her careless statement had anything whatsoever to do with something as highfalutin' as a 'theory' of any kind, whether 'critical' or otherwise.

I don't think it was malicious, either. But I think ideas that are based in critical race theory are discussed more widely than one might think, especially given the BLM movement and protest marches during summer 2020.

[Jersey Girl]

I think it may have come from something simpler than that. I think it may have come from a lack of education.

Agreed. She's an actress, playing the part of a critical thinker, on a show where the dialog is improvised. What do we expect? I love hearing from groups of friends at dinner parties, because they are friends first, and not necessarily expected to be experts, but hearing from actors on a talk show is a poor imitation of events like that. Actors and athletes are known for their craft or sport, it's no surprise they regularly get into trouble over improvised critical thinking. Or, for the exact opposite of critical thinking, stuff they post on tik tok and (mostly) twittr.

I like how you phrased that first bit. She is indeed an actress playing the part of a critical thinker. Good call!

Example, I don't give 2 cents what Joy Behar thinks about most any current event. I just do not.

I do care to hear from guest hosts such as Ana Navarro and Tara Setmayer. I really do find myself paying attention when they are speaking, and regular co-host Sunny Hostin. Attorneys. Otherwise, I'm in it for the interviews.

[Jersey Girl]

That's the way it seems to me. She said basically that this was about 'two lots of white people', so it couldn't have been about race'. For her, race is about what white people do to black people.

I have to say that, given the history of black people in America, it is not surprising that a black person might think that way. She was wrong, of course, and also ignorant of Nazi racist notions about the Jews as an inferior race. But I think that she was ignorant rather than malicious, and I doubt very much whether her careless statement had anything whatsoever to do with something as highfalutin' as a 'theory' of any kind, whether 'critical' or otherwise.

I don't think it was malicious, either. But I think ideas that are based in critical race theory are discussed more widely than one might think, especially given the BLM movement and protest marches during summer 2020.

Oh come on, Occam's Razor that puppy, RI.

In any case...make a case if you got one. Can you link me to an example of critical race theory that you think she might have heard this from?

I admittedly don't know much about critical race theory.