When Fauci speaks, the thinking has been done.

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Biden himself said that doctors who offered evidence on social media of negative effects of the COVID vaccine were killing people.

No. He was asked by a reporter, “What’s the message for platforms like Facebook?”, in relation to disinformation in general. Check out the video for yourself:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politi ... ing-people

Biden didn’t say squat about doctors or anyone else specifically. If you have another quote that you’re referring to, please link to it.

This was his justification for censoring their speech.

Except that this didn’t happen, either.

He implicated Facebook and Twitter as well as accessories to homicide if they refused to censor the information as demanded by the deep state.

Facebook, certainly. And social media can certainly promote disinformation that can kill you (ex., eating those tasty Tide Pods, taking aquarium cleaning pills, etc.). Do you think that every alternative cure promoted across social media should be given testing within your own body? I can’t image that you would, given your skepticism over the most thoroughly tested methods that you’ve been opposed to.

Interestingly several of these physicians have been found dead recently and had this blamed on suicide. These men weren't sucidal and said so while still alive, knowing that they were in the crosshairs of the deep state.

Got some links?

Have you overlooked the incidents wherein a pro-vaccination doctor was harassed by anti-vaxxers to the point of suicide? Or is this news report a hoax?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/31/euro ... index.html

Yeah, like banning users for offering evidence that COVID's origins were a CCP lab rather than a bat as Fauci contended? Do remember that happening or do you still deny it happened?

This complaint always fascinates me, because it seems to center on a need to ‘be right’ about something that’s still unproven, but for what reason, I’m still not sure. After all, if COVID was the creation of a Chinese lab, and then intentionally released - as some folks want to claim - then why are those same folks so strident in their opposition to any mitigation efforts against it?

Why on earth would you tell me that the Chicoms are trying to kill you with a virus, but that you refuse to fight back?

Maybe you can explain this contradiction?

Anyhow, I’m still interested in your answers to these questions:

1. Are you generally anti-vaccine, or just anti-mandate as regards the COVID vaccine?

(In Utah, a child must be immunized against Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, and Rubella, in order to be enrolled in school, as example. How would you approach this requirement for your daughter if you lived here? Full disclosure; our kids are vaccinated to meet this requirement.)

Second Amendment. Should a private company or corporation have the right to control their own product through limitations on what is posted by users?

2b. Should a federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

There's no justification for the COVID vax mandate because it turns out that the vaccine didn't stop transmission.

COVID was produced in a lab and China lied about it the entire time. If it wasn't an accident it was certainly a very weak virus by bioweapon standards. But even if it were more deadly than it turned out to be, nobody should have ever been prohibited from going to work and forced to live on borrowed money over it. That was a civil rights violation. There are no nonessential workers. And screw you Arnold! Go back to Austria or at least stay the hell out of Texas.

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There's no justification for the COVID vax mandate because it turns out that the vaccine didn't stop transmission.

Dumbest remark of the year. It prevented transmission before it mutated to Omicron. And it saved untold millions of lives. Sad the the majority of the folks who died from it in 2021 were Right Winging morons who thought they'd stick it to the Libs by committing suicide.

COVID was produced in a lab and China lied about it the entire time.

I tried telling you before that this was the original crackpot theory about the lab leak but you said that wasn't true. You said the lab leak simply meant it leaked from the lab, but now you're going full retard with the extreme conspiratorial version of this by saying it was created in a lab.

If it wasn't an accident it was certainly a very weak virus by bioweapon standards. But even if it were more deadly than it turned out to be, nobody should have ever been prohibited from going to work and forced to live on borrowed money over it. That was a civil rights violation.

You don't have a civil right to transmit a deadly virus that killed millions. You're just making crap up as you go.

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You don't have a civil right to transmit a deadly virus that killed millions. You're just making crap up as you go.

Yes of course, such rights are reserved only to top Democrat politicians and BLM rioters.

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There's no justification for the COVID vax mandate because it turns out that the vaccine didn't stop transmission.

A couple of thoughts on this statement -

First, I’m not aware of any vaccination that I’ve ever received to guard against transmitting an illness, as opposed to contracting one. And I don’t think that you have a good example either, so this is a very curious reason as to why you would be against being immunized.

Second, the claimed problem of the vaccine not stopping transmission wasn’t really a known issue until the variants arrived over a year after the initial wave. So this is not a reason that you could have used to not allow yourself to be vaccinated.

This ends up sounding like an ‘after the fact’ rationalization to avoid answering the previous question.

COVID was produced in a lab and China lied about it the entire time. If it wasn't an accident it was certainly a very weak virus by bioweapon standards.

OK, if you believed that it was a bio weapon, then why did you fight every attempt to mitigate its effects? How does it make sense to you to have chosen to fight against vaccination, social distancing or masking, thereby letting the virus have a more detrimental affect with a higher death toll? Your actions don’t seem to comport with your conclusion about the virus’s origin and purpose.

But even if it were more deadly than it turned out to be, nobody should have ever been prohibited from going to work and forced to live on borrowed money over it. That was a civil rights violation. There are no nonessential workers. And screw you Arnold! Go back to Austria or at least stay the hell out of Texas.

Maybe down the road those shutdowns would have been unnecessary. But I don’t think that you can claim that there were no serious first wave concerns and instances of hospitals in multiple areas becoming overloaded, with rationed care then being implemented.

It’s easy to play Monday morning quarterback and claim that since you survived, there was no reason to impose any shutdown strategies. But that’s not something that looked tenable at the time, and without a healthcare system in place capable of handling a massive nationwide infection all at once, the outcome could have been much worse. As it is, employment and the economy are pretty much back to pre-pandemic levels, with China being most affected by their own lockdown approach.

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Now, when you get around to it, I’m still interested in your answers to these questions:

1. Are you generally anti-vaccine, or just anti-mandate as regards the COVID vaccine?

(In Utah, a child must be immunized against Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, and Rubella, in order to be enrolled in school, as example. How would you approach this requirement for your daughter if you lived here? Full disclosure; our kids are vaccinated to meet this requirement.)

Second Amendment. Should a private company or corporation have the right to control their own product through limitations on what is posted by users?

2b. Should a federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

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You don't have a civil right to transmit a deadly virus that killed millions. You're just making crap up as you go.

Yes of course, such rights are reserved only to top Democrat politicians and BLM rioters.

Funny. The COVID death rate of Florida under DeSantis is double that under Washington’s Governor Jay Inslee. Now, I’m sure you’ll want to hide behind age adjusted death rates, but here’s the thing: DeSantis isn’t the Governor of an age-adjusted state. Here’s the Governor of real people, and he knew from day one of the pandemic that his state’s population skewed toward the elderly. He screwed the elderly people in his state over by actively fighting against basic public health measures that would have the lives of many people who put him in office in the first place.

He doesn’t give a damn about the people in Florida because he wants to be president. And he’s absolutely willing to throw the state of Florida under the bus to become President. This year, he vetoed a bill that would have saved taxpayers millions of dollars by converting the fleet of government-owned vehicles from fossil fuels to electricity. The bill passed the Republican dominated Florida legislature with only one no vote. DeSantis himself had promoted electric cars in past. What happened?

The man wants to be president, and that means he needs the votes of Iowa corn farmers who sell lots of corn to companies that turn it into vehicle fuel. They’re not too keen on electric cars, as no one burns corn to generate electricity. So. DeSantis threw the taxpayers in Florida under the gas power bus to curry favor with Iowa corn farmers. But he knows as long as he keeps enough folks bamboozled with his “anti-woke politics,” they’ll forget to follow the money. He’s just another member of the elite class that you hate when they reject your agenda of hate and vengeance. He’ll trade the quality of life in Florida for votes in Wisconsin or Michigan in a heartbeat.

This is why Florida had a law that banned the Governor from staying in office while running for President. At least until his cronies changed the law just for him so he could use Florida as his springboard to the presidency. At least he’s term limited now — until his cronies change that law too. Hmm, that reminds me of some other country that changed or bent the rules so a wanna be autocrat could stay in power. I’ll try to remember and get back to you.

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Thursday was the hottest day on earth ever because the climate has gone woke!!! We need someone to teach the climate to goosestep and perhaps drink a bottle of schnapps. Teach that climate to read Breitbart and let go of information and reason.

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Yes of course, such rights are reserved only to top Democrat politicians and BLM rioters.

Funny. The COVID death rate of Florida under DeSantis is double that under Washington’s Governor Jay Inslee. Now, I’m sure you’ll want to hide behind age adjusted death rates, but here’s the thing: DeSantis isn’t the Governor of an age-adjusted state. Here’s the Governor of real people, and he knew from day one of the pandemic that his state’s population skewed toward the elderly. He screwed the elderly people in his state over by actively fighting against basic public health measures that would have the lives of many people who put him in office in the first place.

He doesn’t give a damn about the people in Florida because he wants to be president. And he’s absolutely willing to throw the state of Florida under the bus to become President. This year, he vetoed a bill that would have saved taxpayers millions of dollars by converting the fleet of government-owned vehicles from fossil fuels to electricity. The bill passed the Republican dominated Florida legislature with only one no vote. DeSantis himself had promoted electric cars in past. What happened?

The man wants to be president, and that means he needs the votes of Iowa corn farmers who sell lots of corn to companies that turn it into vehicle fuel. They’re not too keen on electric cars, as no one burns corn to generate electricity. So. DeSantis threw the taxpayers in Florida under the gas power bus to curry favor with Iowa corn farmers. But he knows as long as he keeps enough folks bamboozled with his “anti-woke politics,” they’ll forget to follow the money. He’s just another member of the elite class that you hate when they reject your agenda of hate and vengeance. He’ll trade the quality of life in Florida for votes in Wisconsin or Michigan in a heartbeat.

This is why Florida had a law that banned the Governor from staying in office while running for President. At least until his cronies changed the law just for him so he could use Florida as his springboard to the presidency. At least he’s term limited now — until his cronies change that law too. Hmm, that reminds me of some other country that changed or bent the rules so a wanna be autocrat could stay in power. I’ll try to remember and get back to you.

So living longer in debt is preferable to Wasington voters while living a shorter life but free is preferable to Floridians. You do you and I'll do me. What's wrong with that. Florida chose to live in a free state, not a biomedical security state. Isn't that the beauty of state sovereignty. Anyone who didn't like it was free to move to New York or San Francisco.

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So living longer in debt is preferable to Wasington voters while living a shorter life but free is preferable to Floridians. You do you and I'll do me. What's wrong with that. Florida chose to live in a free state, not a biomedical security state. Isn't that the beauty of state sovereignty. Anyone who didn't like it was free to move to New York or San Francisco.

You don’t seem too convinced. You haven’t moved there yet. : )

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So living longer in debt is preferable to Wasington voters while living a shorter life but free is preferable to Floridians. You do you and I'll do me. What's wrong with that. Florida chose to live in a free state, not a biomedical security state. Isn't that the beauty of state sovereignty. Anyone who didn't like it was free to move to New York or San Francisco.

You don’t seem too convinced. You haven’t moved there yet. : )

No I'm convinced. There's a lot of separation into stayes baded on ploitics. Look at what the Missourians did to the Mormons out fear in how they might vote.

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Funny. The COVID death rate of Florida under DeSantis is double that under Washington’s Governor Jay Inslee. Now, I’m sure you’ll want to hide behind age adjusted death rates, but here’s the thing: DeSantis isn’t the Governor of an age-adjusted state. Here’s the Governor of real people, and he knew from day one of the pandemic that his state’s population skewed toward the elderly. He screwed the elderly people in his state over by actively fighting against basic public health measures that would have the lives of many people who put him in office in the first place.

He doesn’t give a damn about the people in Florida because he wants to be president. And he’s absolutely willing to throw the state of Florida under the bus to become President. This year, he vetoed a bill that would have saved taxpayers millions of dollars by converting the fleet of government-owned vehicles from fossil fuels to electricity. The bill passed the Republican dominated Florida legislature with only one no vote. DeSantis himself had promoted electric cars in past. What happened?

The man wants to be president, and that means he needs the votes of Iowa corn farmers who sell lots of corn to companies that turn it into vehicle fuel. They’re not too keen on electric cars, as no one burns corn to generate electricity. So. DeSantis threw the taxpayers in Florida under the gas power bus to curry favor with Iowa corn farmers. But he knows as long as he keeps enough folks bamboozled with his “anti-woke politics,” they’ll forget to follow the money. He’s just another member of the elite class that you hate when they reject your agenda of hate and vengeance. He’ll trade the quality of life in Florida for votes in Wisconsin or Michigan in a heartbeat.

This is why Florida had a law that banned the Governor from staying in office while running for President. At least until his cronies changed the law just for him so he could use Florida as his springboard to the presidency. At least he’s term limited now — until his cronies change that law too. Hmm, that reminds me of some other country that changed or bent the rules so a wanna be autocrat could stay in power. I’ll try to remember and get back to you.

So living longer in debt is preferable to Wasington voters while living a shorter life but free is preferable to Floridians. You do you and I'll do me. What's wrong with that. Florida chose to live in a free state, not a biomedical security state. Isn't that the beauty of state sovereignty. Anyone who didn't like it was free to move to New York or San Francisco.

It’s a nice fantasy, but it’s still just a fantasy. First, not everyone is in a position to just pick up and move, especially old people on fixed incomes. Second, the elderly residents of Florida, most of whom likely voted for DeSantis, weren’t given an honest appraisal of their risks by their governor. They didn’t get to choose anything. He chose for them. He didn’t tell them that he had chosen not to exercise the power he has to protect the life and health of Florida residents because their lives weren’t worth even the slightest imposition on anyone else. Or that the governors of other states had chosen to exercise that power to help vulnerable people protect their health and lives. He simply minimized the risks and ignored basic principles of public health because they didn’t fit with his political road to the White House.

I don’t recall the elderly or other vulnerable people saying, sure, I’ll happily suffer and die because everyone has a fundamental right to spread disease as much as they choose.

You’re awfully big on the right to life as long as it doesn’t inconvenience you personally.