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ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:26 pm

How does the public know that the person's vote won't count? Who gets access to the database to determine if the vote is ineligible. Many register with addresses like the local McDonald's, bank etc She says it later on in the interview

So once that ballot has been cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count, so you can't tell who voted, if that's if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot. And certainly by machine you can't tell. So no, there's no way there's no way to pull this back.

Does it really make any practical difference? The point is that any legal resident growing up in this country who mistakenly believes (upon reaching the legal voting age) that they are citizens and eligible to vote should not be prosecuted or deported merely for voting, unless they try to do it again, after becoming aware of their actual non-citizen status. It would seem to me that legal, non-citizen residents could just as easily favor Republican candidates as Democrat candidates, so even if their votes are mistakenly accepted, the invalid Republican and Democrat votes would tend to cancel each other out in the long run, thus having little or no effect on the final outcome of the election.

Gunnar wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 8:36 pm

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:26 pm

How does the public know that the person's vote won't count? Who gets access to the database to determine if the vote is ineligible. Many register with addresses like the local McDonald's, bank etc She says it later on in the interview

So once that ballot has been cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count, so you can't tell who voted, if that's if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot. And certainly by machine you can't tell. So no, there's no way there's no way to pull this back.

Does it really make any practical difference? The point is that any legal resident growing up in this country who mistakenly believes (upon reaching the legal voting age) that they are citizens and eligible to vote should not be prosecuted or deported merely for voting, unless they try to do it again, after becoming aware of their actual non-citizen status. It would seem to me that legal, non-citizen residents could just as easily favor Republican candidates as Democrat candidates, so even if their votes are mistakenly accepted, the invalid Republican and Democrat tend to cancel each other out in the long run, thus having little or no effect on the final outcome of the election.

My Dad was born in Canada. When he went to naturalize to American citizenship, it was discovered that his father, who thought he was a Canadian citizen, in fact was born in Wyoming. His parents had moved to Canada within a few days after his birth. He lived his whole life as a Canadian citizen -- voting, paying taxes, etc. As a result of this discovery, he had to naturalize to become a Canadian citizen.

Ajax would have wanted him thrown in jail.

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 8:42 pm

My Dad was born in Canada. When he went to naturalize to American citizenship, it was discovered that his father, who thought he was a Canadian citizen, in fact was born in Wyoming. His parents had moved to Canada within a few days after his birth. He lived his whole life as a Canadian citizen -- voting, paying taxes, etc. As a result of this discovery, he had to naturalize to become a Canadian citizen.

Ajax would have wanted him thrown in jail.

Interesting and amusing story! Thanks for sharing that!

And I think you're right that Ajax would probably have wanted him thrown in jail.

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:50 pm

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:26 pm

How does the public know that the person's vote won't count? Who gets access to the database to determine if the vote is ineligible. Many register with addresses like the local McDonald's, bank etc She says it later on in the interview

So once that ballot has been cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count, so you can't tell who voted, if that's if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot. And certainly by machine you can't tell. So no, there's no way there's no way to pull this back.

So, you’ve just been shown that she flat out lies in the interview, so you want us to look at some other thing she said in the interview?

Are you claiming that you’ve accurately described how mail in ballots are actually handled?

How do you know? Are partisan observers from each political party even allowed to look at it?

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 9:10 pm

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:50 pm

So, you’ve just been shown that she flat out lies in the interview, so you want us to look at some other thing she said in the interview?

Are you claiming that you’ve accurately described how mail in ballots are actually handled?

How do you know? Are partisan observers from each political party even allowed to look at it?

When we use voting machines, are partisan observers allowed to come into the booth to watch us vote?

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 9:10 pm

How do you know? Are partisan observers from each political party even allowed to look at it?

Of course they are! Do you really believe the nonsense that any counties or precincts would be foolish enough even try to get away with not allowing or even requiring observers and representatives from each political party be involved in work of counting the votes? How could that even be legal?

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 9:59 pm

When we use voting machines, are partisan observers allowed to come into the booth to watch us vote?

Wow! Is that what Ajax meant -- that partisan workers should be allowed to come into the booth to watch us vote? Of course that would be wrong! That is something we would expect only of absolute despotisms like North Korea!

Gunnar wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:08 pm

Does Ajax ever get anything right?

Right? He don't need no stinkin' right. Republican talking points are seldom right.

Gunnar wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 9:59 pm

Of course they are! Do you really believe the nonsense that any counties or precincts would be foolish enough even try to get away with not allowing or even requiring observers and representatives from each political party be involved in work of counting the votes? How could that even be legal?

Many polling places in Utah were unable to find a Democrat willing to be an election worker.

Gunnar wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 10:05 pm

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 9:59 pm

When we use voting machines, are partisan observers allowed to come into the booth to watch us vote?

Wow! Is that what Ajax meant -- that partisan workers should be allowed to come into the booth to watch us vote? Of course that would be wrong! That is something we would expect only of absolute despotisms like North Korea!

It not so much what he meant -- the problem is that he throws out random talking points without thinking through what they actually mean. Fraudulent voting happens in small amounts, regardless of the voting system chosen. In every system, the vote itself is separated from the identity of the voter and cannot be recovered. That's how the system works. Ajax lives in a paranoid fantasy where hordes of brown people here illegally somehow forget that they need to stay hidden from authorities and risk discovery and deportation by voting illegally.