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Here are some of my reasons why I view Harris as a much better candidate than Trump (not in order of importance):

1) Re: Trump’s impulsiveness - Harris has a clear, researched stance on issues like healthcare, climate change, and criminal justice. Trump just wings it and leaves his surrogates to figure it out and explain it. It creates uncertainty.

2) With that, Harris presents detailed, actionable plans on economic and social issues. She vets issues, develops a policy, and presents them to the public. It’s professional through and through.

3) Harris works within institutional frameworks and fosters dialogue. A collaborative approach to leadership has been demonstrated to be the best style for innovation and progress.

4) Her experience as prosecutor, senator and vice president is better suited for government experience. I don’t view Trump’s term as President to have been a learning experience for him.

5) As such, Trump’s improvising, undermining institutions, and making erratic decisions, esp. with regard to personal gain over long-term strategies is venal, reprehensible, and the antithesis of the founding father’s notions for a sitting President.

6) Harris supports innovation, entrepreneurship, and the American dream which translates to technological development, strengthening democratic systems and institutions which are crucial to maintaining the stability of industries, and finding avenues toward maintaining a healthy middle class.

Eta - I guess I’ll tuck one more in here. He plans to fire all our top generals and replace them with loyalists. One of the biggest (and scariest) provisions of Project 2025 is the plan to replace all the top people at every agency to ensure that every agency will do whatever whim Trump has each day.

This is not just theoretical or part of Project 2025, Trump already tried to put this in place during his time as President when he issued an Executive Order in October 2020 regarding Schedule F.

https://protectdemocracy.org/work/Trump ... explained/
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:03 pm
4) Her experience as prosecutor, senator and vice president is better suited for government experience. I don’t view Trump’s term as President to have been a learning experience for him.
Oh, I think think being President was a learning experience for Trump. It's just that he didn't learn anything we wanted him to learn. All he paid attention to were the obstacles he had trying to engage in criminal activity as President. If he were President again, he'd be even better at the grift.

But I completely agree with everything else you said.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:03 pm
Eta - I guess I’ll tuck one more in here. He plans to fire all our top generals and replace them with loyalists. One of the biggest (and scariest) provisions of Project 2025 is the plan to replace all the top people at every agency to ensure that every agency will do whatever whim Trump has each day.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal just came out for Harris. “… he would be endorsing Vice President Harris for president, saying “I have cast my vote for character.”

“Ms. Harris has the strength, the temperament and, importantly, the values to serve as commander in chief,” he wrote in The New York Times. “When she sits down with world leaders like President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, representing the United States on the global stage, I have no doubt that she is working in our national interest, not her own.”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:03 pm
Here are some of my reasons why I view Harris as a much better candidate than Trump (not in order of importance):

1) Re: Trump’s impulsiveness - Harris has a clear, researched stance on issues like healthcare, climate change, and criminal justice. Trump just wings it and leaves his surrogates to figure it out and explain it. It creates uncertainty.

2) With that, Harris presents detailed, actionable plans on economic and social issues. She vets issues, develops a policy, and presents them to the public. It’s professional through and through.

3) Harris works within institutional frameworks and fosters dialogue. A collaborative approach to leadership has been demonstrated to be the best style for innovation and progress.

4) Her experience as prosecutor, senator and vice president is better suited for government experience. I don’t view Trump’s term as President to have been a learning experience for him.

5) As such, Trump’s improvising, undermining institutions, and making erratic decisions, esp. with regard to personal gain over long-term strategies is venal, reprehensible, and the antithesis of the founding father’s notions for a sitting President.

6) Harris supports innovation, entrepreneurship, and the American dream which translates to technological development, strengthening democratic systems and institutions which are crucial to maintaining the stability of industries, and finding avenues toward maintaining a healthy middle class.

Eta - I guess I’ll tuck one more in here. He plans to fire all our top generals and replace them with loyalists. One of the biggest (and scariest) provisions of Project 2025 is the plan to replace all the top people at every agency to ensure that every agency will do whatever whim Trump has each day.

This is not just theoretical or part of Project 2025, Trump already tried to put this in place during his time as President when he issued an Executive Order in October 2020 regarding Schedule F.

https://protectdemocracy.org/work/Trump ... explained/
Cam - I appreciate you taking the time to answer the OP.

Thanks!
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For me, first and foremost it’s about competence and ethics. There’s an endless list of things that come with competence and ethics. I believe that Harris has largely demonstrated those two things in her personal life, and career. Trump at almost every turn demonstrates he lacks both.

There are of course things like the economy. Harris’ plans have obvious flaws (as evidenced by the analyses that have been done by economists), but they are so small in comparison to Trump. Especially since we’ve already seen Trump’s plans in action once. He created an inflationary bomb, ballooned the deficit, decimated our agricultural industry resulting in a massive socialist bailout, and destroyed our domestic oil production with his OPEC deal that lasted well into Biden’s term contributing to high gas prices. There isn’t a single Nobel laureate economist that has backed Trump (despite them being from all across the ideological, political and geographical spectrum), and multiple Nobel economists have warned that Trump’s policies will do what they successfully predicted they’d do before, and cause an inflationary bomb. Even his own school’s economics professors (which he lied about at the debate) issued an analysis that showed his plan wouldn’t be any better for the middle and lower class in the short run, but would cause twice (TWICE!) as much of an increase to the deficit which would absolutely cripple future generations and destroy our economy later down the road. That's not even factoring in his plan to unilaterally tax Americans without Congressional approval, costing the average household at least $3,000 a year. Combine his stated plan to blow up the deficit with his history of being willing to allow the government to shut down jeopardizing our credit rating as a country, and it should be terrifying for anyone who cares about their pocket book and the future of their children in this country.

Almost every single former member of his cabinet won’t endorse him (i.e. Conservative Republicans who have seen him operate up close, and the unethical narcissistic buffoonery and chaos that is his base setting). His own conservative Christian life-long Republican former Vice President won’t endorse him. That speaks insane volumes.

It’s impossible for me to be “For” Harris. Her holding parents criminally liable for children missing school was abhorrent, in my opinion (for an example of something I find troubling). I think she’s the obviously better choice, by a million times though. But that’s more-so because Trump is just so inferior in every possible way. Any status quo candidate would likely have me reexamining things. Like if Republican Brian Fitzpatrick (for example) was running, I’d be much more conflicted in my choice. As it stands though, it’s like walking into a tax preparer, and looking to one side and seeing a human being with an associate's degree from a community college, and the other side a potato clock created by a 3rd grader, and being conflicted on which one would probably do a better job filing your taxes.
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I’ll definitely prefer a Harris Administration’s approach to making cabinet appointments and hiring civil servants based on competency, as opposed to a Trump Administration’s dependence upon loyalty as the predominant reason for making selections.

Toadies are rarely the best qualified person for a job.

Here’s more on Trump’s self-serving and dangerous Schedule F strategy:

https://protectdemocracy.org/work/Trump ... explained/
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A vote for Harris is not just a vote for her but all the people around her. The whole Biden Presidency has been pretty scandal free outside of the fever dreams about Hunter Biden. That's what happens when you hire professional bureaucrats. Republicans eff stuff up and Democrats spend their administrations fixing it. The Biden administration has passed the Inflation Reduction Act and, holy cow!, inflation is coming down. They passed a massive infrastructure package and, holy cow!, we're seeing massive construction projects all over the country.

Prices are still higher than anyone wants but inflation is a world wide issue due to pent up demand, the supply chain being held together by spackle and spit, and the strains of a continually growing population on a finite planet. Nothing is going to stop it except time. Kamala at least has ideas about fixing housing and other problems. Trump's whole platform is bashing immigrants with a novelty sized hammer and "things were great when I was care taking Obama's economy by golfing and working three hours a day! (Before I ignored and golfed while covid killed a million Americans)".

A vote for Trump is not just a vote for him but all the people around him. This time he's not going to have any moderates, generals, or business types as guard rails. He's going to pardon himself and all the 1/6ers. He's going to sign a bunch of executive orders punching immigrants, minorities, and trans people in the face and then he's going to go golf for four years, safe in the blanket of his immunity. He's going to turn the levers of power over to whomever the Heritage Foundation considers ideologically pure enough and they will try to shiv anyone in the kidney whose not a millionaire so that billionaires can throw another billion on the pile. There aren't going to be any general Kellys and Maddises in this administration. Trump's going to have total loyalists no matter their qualifications and every one of them will be a grifter.

In the meantime JD Vance will be one Big Mac down the wrong tube on an 80 year old fat man from being President. He did 4 years in the Marines, worked at a VC firm, and has been a Senator for 2 years besides being part of a failed non profit and a failed ag company. Talk about unqualified to be President.
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Re: Harris 2024

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When I wrote the OP, I was really hoping to hear the perspectives/thoughts/opinions of some of the people who support Harris - And my desire was to hear it directly from those who do.

I have gotten much more than I would have guessed, and I wanted to extend a sincere thank you to all who took the time to answer the OP. I appreciate it.

So - Thank you!
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ceeboo wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:06 pm
When I wrote the OP, I was really hoping to hear the perspectives/thoughts/opinions of some of the people who support Harris - And my desire was to hear it directly from those who do.

I have gotten much more than I would have guessed, and I wanted to extend a sincere thank you to all who took the time to answer the OP. I appreciate it.

So - Thank you!
Thank you for being open to seriously considering Harris' qualifications, accomplishments and what she stands for. She has promised a bi-partisan approach to hire and appoint people based more on their proven expertise and experience than on their party affiliation. Trump, on the other hand, clearly seems to place the highest priority on people's personal, slavish loyalty to him than on their qualifications and loyalty to the U.S. constitution and what is required by law and ethics and even by incontrovertible scientific evidence. He dismisses the advice of even the most highly qualified experts and scientists if he doesn't like what they try to tell him.
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I get why it is that Demos get upset when the word coup is used by MAGAsters regarding the risky and precipitous removal of the man millions of Democrats voted in the primaries to have as their candidate for president: Joe Biden. At the same time, the risky and precipitous removal of the man that millions of Democrats voted to be their candidate for the president is, well, kind of a coup within the party. I hope that coup works out, and I plan to vote for the beneficiary of that coup. But, I feel no compunction to use kinder words to describe it. If powerful Democrats, of whom I am not one, want to play it in their party as they want, that's their business. Not mine. I still vote for Harris because Trump is a lunatic who belongs working in a used car lot, not the White House. Clearly both parties need to do something about their methods for selecting presidential candidates, and I will not join either major party until one of them gets their crap properly together.
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